NASCAR men earning as well as most F1 drivers

Spa? Where the rain caused drivers to go waayyy off course, spin out, bump each other off the track? That's F1? And all this talk I hear about hoe F1 drivers "drive in the rain" and this is the result? Nice.

If last season is the best in years then I can see all the complaints. More passing is needed big time. Even F1 die hard fans are abandoning F1, it will be interesting to see how many people hod this view of F1 in a couple of years.

 

Has this been printed out and eaten yet?

 

No. Poor nutritional value.

 

I believe you're right. Does it count if wasn't Cup ?? Neat race regardless, come to think of it, 2008 was one giant monsoon season..

 

they where slipping and sliding since it was the last few laps of the race and most choose to stay out on slicks. NASCAR races in the rain go well on slicks too. Oh wait they dont race when it rains since they don't know how too. scratch that.

last 5 dog fights that lasted more than a lap? Well not many and obviously not such exiting dogfights where like as in the 80s. You probably have them in nascar and they last for numerous 'laps' (more like driving in a straight line with a slight bend, but whatever).

The new season hasn't even started yet. No more stupid aero diffusers which disturb the air behind cars so others can't overtake, moveable front wings and KERS which gives more powers. We're definately going to see much more overtaking this season.

Last season was exiting minus some GP's and stupid FIA decisions.

I don't get it why you find it NASCAR more exiting, I tried to watch a little of the race yesterday but again I got very bored (like nearly all people outside america) watching cars drive about in circles. Then again american's find monster trucks exiting. easily entertained probably.

 

The first 1000 at Font sold for $17.

Too bad for Nascar that drivers numbers don't go over 100.

 

Yesterday brought out a caution flag due to someone claiming that they "thought" they saw a few rain drops.

Bingo!!!

Don't forget WWF Wrestling!

 

LOL. freakin' hilarious.

Hehe.

the thing about WWF wresting I don't like is that it is marketed as a proper fight sport, while in reality its a lot of bad acting by a bunch of men in tights.

 

So cars banging into each other, spinning out and knocking other cars off the track is entertaining to you for an F1 race. That's fine. I like Nascar because there are passes for the lead, multiple drivers fighting for the lead in every race, cars racing door to door for the whole race etc. If you have to go back 2 decades in F1 to find the lst 5 dogfights for the lead in F1, then you can accept that as my answer as to why I think F1 is boring. And I don't think there will be "that much" more over taking in F1 this year although there should be with all the rule changes.

 

I used to be a real NASCAR follower. The reason you say you enjoy NASCAR (lead passes, multiple drivers fighting for the win, door to door racing) was fabricated by NASCAR. Prior to restrictor plate racing, the idea was to build the best car and the best engine. Then we saw who was fastest. Going back to when I watched, great duels were rare. On Sunday, Petty, Pearson, Waltrip, Yarborough were the guys. Every one else was filler. Now you can say the changes were made for safety, but now everyone has the same car with different drive trains. That is the only difference. They are close because no one is faster than the other. If this is what you think is great racing, so be it. But why is it when 4 NASCAR teams are the only ones who can win, its good. But when 4 different F1 teams win, its bad?

 

You have no idea how many parallels to Nascar this sentence contains if you simply just add and subtract a few words.

 

You mean like "men in BAGGY tights" who can jump a backwards flip before ripping out each other's windscreens and doing a few pulled punches?

 

I never said that cars spinning out and knocking each other off makes F1 entertaining. what entertains me is passing but not passing like it happens in NASCAR. I'm not surprised cars in NASCAR are door to door the whole race. First of all there are only 2 corners on most tracks and a long straight in between them, so the cars can draft along each other the whole time. then there are the yellow flags, which comes out everytime a spec of rain is dropped or someone turned right instead of left (confusing, I know). So every now and then the pack comes right on each others arse again. Makes for great entertainment if you like the sort of thing and I dont care if one finds NASCAR entertaining or not, not my problem.

I probably have to agree with decardona, since he knows the facts better than me about NASCAR.

And I already more or less agreed with you that F1 was much, much more exiting in the 80s.

 

Even the 90's had exciting times. Prost/Senna, Senna/Mansell, Schuey/Hill/Villeneuve, Hakkinen/Schuey. Lots of guys were competing and winning in the 90's. Lots of competitive teams, many exciting seasons and all the heavy hitters had LOTS of tobacco money. Some used it well, others didn't. Lots of innovation came from smaller teams that the bigger ones ran with when proven. The high nose and side pod wings from Tyrrell were probably the most notable. True excitement ended as Senna's death brought an end to the racing gladiator age and now most drivers are corporate cookie cutter types.

 

Laughable! What four F1 teams can win a Championship? It's Ferrari or McLaren winning races unless there's a total downpour that catches them off gaurd and someone else sneaks in for the win.

 

4 teams times 3 or 4 cars per team, do the math, You'll have over a dozen drivers fighting for the win each race.

 

NASCAR has had the same champion 3 years running with a system that is supposed to make it a shootout. Last years best driver (K. Busch), had bad luck when it mattered and was an afterthought. There is no reward for winning in Nascar. And lots of teammates fighting for wins isn't true competition. It is a case of the haves and have nots. F1 is the same way, but as you stated weather can disrupt the applecart. In Nascar they just stop and give the win to the leader. When Nascar was a STOCK series, it was great. Different manufacturers competing for racing glory. Now, everyone with the same car makes it boring. If I build a lead of more than 3 secs., a yellow comes out for "debris". If Nascar is your thing, enjoy it. But as in every form of racing, before each race starts, you can honestly say no more than 25% of the field has a legitimate shot at winning.

 

People on your "F1 is the best racing" side of the fence hang onto Spa as last years most exciting race and some exclude the last race because it was staged by the heads of F1.

So passing isn't passing. Alright. Only if F1 cars pass, is passing actual passing, I think I have it now.

So NASCAR passing isn't passing because??? They race door to door and draft? Or because they race on ovals? I don't see your point.

Yeah, people like you don't have a problem with NASCAR, they just spend days on end bashing it without decent arguments.... F1 and NASCAR have many of the same issues to deal with but any series that has it's owners strip drivers of points and had out penalties just so the final race will determine the winner is a sport in need of new thinking and real change. Say what you want about NASCAR, it isn't turning its back on it's history, long time fans, oldest tracks and it certainly isn't ignoring the young members of society who are the future fan base, it also isn't going to where the most money resides and cutting the legs out from under long time race organizers then resorting to blackmailing {Melbourne} but F1 is somehow the greatest.... Yeah, that must be true.

Believe what you want.

 

Nascar does strip drivers of points for indiscretions, (wrong type of part or setting on car). They once stripped Dale Jr. 25 points for cursing. And your argument on bringing the championship to the final race, Well Nascar started that with the chase. Kyle Busch would have easily won the title last year if not for the chase. But bad luck in the last 10 races made his season moot. Also, where on the schedule is N. Wilksboro, NASCARs oldest track? Gone because it doesn't seat enough. Martinsville and Bristol will be cut to 1 race soon as larger more profitable tracks are built. Each series has its problems, just enjoy what you like and have fun doing it.

 

+1000

Very well said sir.

 

Not what I had in mind but that will do!

 

You guys are firmly planted in the ground and aren't being rational. You describe problems and doslike with NASCAR that are similar to F1 and when questioned, you state "it's not the same thing etc". If that's your stance, so be it.

Just to point out a couple of things, you spelled Wilkesboro wrong and it was left behind after years and years of falling behind on maintenance and space for teams and fans alike. NASCAR hands down penalites to people who break the rules that are known. F1 hands down penalties to keep the drivers close in the standings. "Bad luck" for months on end isn't bad "luck" it's bad racing. Bristol is an exciting track, it will be around for a long, long time. You can bury your head in the sand as much as you want, if you can't be reasoned with....

 

What driver has won 3 years in a row? Again with "luck"? No reward for winning in NASCAR? The most points for the weekend, the most money, the team builds the most confidance, no reward? Come on. Team mates fight for wins, how is that not competition? In F1 team mates let each other pass and then the number 2 driver defends and blocks for half the race. Is that true competition? What 25% of F1 drivers can win races? No elite racing series is stock, is F1? "F1" stands for Formula One, as in the highest degree of technology and drivers. It's known that drivers can pay their way into F1 and mid teams have no chance of winning and bottom teams get sold every two years... Top League? Hardly.

Again if you and the others want to turn your noses and cite sterotypes about NASCAR racers and fans so be it, but remember F1 has its sterotypes too and you guys sure fit the bill. If you can't stand being wrong, or change your point of view at all, you'll have more problems than turning your nose up at a racing series.

 

I believe it is you with your head in the sand. I never stated that the problems are not the same thing. Each series has problems as it is there job to put on an event to please customers, fans and sponsors. The fact I spelled Wilkesboro wrong does not understate the fact that NASCAR has abandonded its roots in a way for the almighty dollar. There is nothing wrong with that. To see the sport grow and expand is terrific for its fans and the organization as a whole. I am just stating that the negative points you made in regard to F1 (or any other series) are similar to NASCAR. I am fully aware that rules are manipulated to enhance the show. But, if you don't think this is done in NASCAR, you are the one that can't be reasoned with.

 

To answer your questions. Jimmie Johnson 3 years running. Yes, lucky because he got very hot at the right time. The most points for the weekend isn't true because if the guy who finishes second leads more laps he gets 5 more points. The same as the winner. NASCAR teammates let each other pass to lead a lap for bonus points. 25% of an F1 field is 5 guys. Hamilton, Raikkonen, Massa, Kubica, Kovelinen, Alonso and Vettel all won races this past season.Thats 7 of 20 or 38% of the field. 38% of the Nascar field would be 17 drivers. Did that many win a race last year? Bottom level nascar teams merge and have no chance of winning, they too are just field filler.