SE 30 thread

As far as I know, EE plates are for new vehicles only. They also expire in less than one year. You cannot tag a used car EE, besides if it had Dutch tags the European taxes would have been paid. The EE tags postpone the Euro tax and must be owned by a non Euro Union individual.

 

highest mileage SE30 ever?
i think it could very well be the case (..pics is not good...it reads 90.004 Kms )
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Hmmm and I asked Emilio to take pictures because his camera looked more expensive than mine.....

The battery compartment looks like it's been 90,004 km since it has been cleaned!
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the camera is good...fact is my pics skills sucks and my hand moves....

 

90000 = highest mileage SE that I know of

 

Wow, that's a lot of use! I wonder if it needed any major engine work? Assuming it hasn't had a rebuild, then that is more evidence of the Lambo V12's durability! I wonder how many big Ferrari V12 have gone that far without a rebuild?

 

3700+/- miles a year in that would be heavenly...

 

Anyone have info on #075? I believe it was in Ireland at one stage, might still be there. It's purple, thats all I know.

 

copied from another thread but belongs here


Regarding the posting at the bottome of this posting:

Yes the US cars are different from the ROW cars. I spoke with Valentino about this face-to-face several years ago because I wanted the straight scoop. Yes, all US cars have leather interior, not alcantara, and that is because Lamborghini felt the US consumer wanted leather, which is, in fact, the highest quality interior covering there is. Yes, all US cars have power steering, and Lamborghini felt that US buyers preferred the power steering. I don't think it is overboosted and it is quite nice, but I do prefer the early Diablo steering with no boosting. However, this is competely a subjective issue and everyone will have their own opinion.
ENGINE: The US engine is exactly the same as the Euro engine (same lightened crank, same flywheel, same SE-spec ECU, same SE-unique oiling and oil cooling system, same trick components, same cams, same pistons, same magnesium components, etc), except there is one difference and one difference only. The heads on the US SE30 have the same intake valves as the regular Diablo, whereas the Euro SE30 has slightly larger intake valves. Valentino told me that if they used the Euro valves on the US SE30, they would have had to re-homologate the entire engine, and it wasn't worth it. I asked Valentino how much difference the different valves made and he laughed and said just a few horsepower, maybe 5 hp. But, the US SE30 engine is much more like the Euro SE30 engine than it is like the regular Diablo engine. This is reflected in the Lambo marketing publications (which I agree is all over the place and unreliable!!), but I have Lambo marketing materials made for the US in English stating the power at 520, and the ROW documents state 525, so that corrobarates what Valentino told me, so that is what I believe to be the truth.

So when people say the US SE30 has a regular Diablo engine, that is false. It is a Euro SE30 engine with the intake valves from the regular Diablo. This belongs in the SE30 thread, so I will copy it to there also.

 

no engine rebuilt, one owner car

 

tks for posting

it must be said the difference in power btw an euro SE 30 and a regular euro diablo is of 35+- hp ...not big deal on a 500 hp car

the lightened crank should make the car rev pretty faster ....do you know if lamborghini used it on later model diablos?

 

So the next question would be...

Is it really worth all the extra money for a JOTA car...EVEN if you take a USA spec car and ADD the JOTA kit to it (as two have nbeen done in the USA)...is IT really worth all the extra bucks..

and what does a REAL JOTA add on do if the USA car has, as it states here, smaller intakes...there is some difference there as well I am sure..

IMO best to stay with the REAL DEAL way it was made from the factory OEM...

 

it depends how much extra money you are talking about

i would gladly spend some more $$$ for a jota over a same conditions SE30

JOTA is ultimate diablo to me

 

Correct, thanks for breaking it down for everyone.

 

If you could get a factory SE30 Jota, that would be ideal. But they are not allowed in the USA, of course. So a genuine USA SE30, upgraded with to factory-original Jota spec using limited-production factory-original components intended for use on the original series, is pretty special. When you consider that there are only two (2) of such cars in existence, this makes them quite valuable, and they will probably make their own market, subject to what their owners think.

By comparison, the perceived value of a Diablo GT, which strictly-speaking isnt legal in the USA, is probably similar, but a case can be made for a collector taking the USA-legal car over the one that is not...

Am I making any sense?

 

Joe I agree with you, but what about show and display for the Diablo GT? If approved couldn't a GT then be road legal with special considerations of course.
Erik

 

Yes it can, for very limited use. Then there are the liability issues. No doubt the GT can be a fine part of a focused collection, but for endless worry-free road use, Im sure you'd want a USA legal car.

 

+1 me to I hope it can keep ut with the F40 target car to compete with.lol

 

OH crap here we go again...

Yes Keith and his Accident Damage repaired SE30 made into a JOTA, and done very well I might add, is a friend of yours..

And were does this "perceived" value of the GT come into play in this thread..oh YEA I own one ..forgot..oh and yea I am selling one forgot..?

Both great cars IMO...and their value paid or not will depend on the buyer and the seller coming to terms.

 

Hog wash

Joe as I, since he has a Dealer plate at his disposal will drive the CRAP out of a GT anytime he can...and use the Dealer plate legally.

Limited use is 2500 miles per year...when was the last time any of these collectors drove those kind of miles...and when did any Fed Gov check..?

Liability..? Yes for regular insurance...but we ALL have collector car insurance with NAMED amounts on these cars due to their vlaue.

 

All true, but you might have someone who is not a dealer, and just wants a USA car.

Having said that, the GT is also a great car and Im sure someone who specifically wants one of those will not be deterred!

 

All Lamborghini SE30 Jota owners are friends of mine!

I was just being objective, but I understand your concerns. No worries...

 

How many factory SE30 Jotas are there? I have the figure of 28 in my mind for some reason, is that correct?
All i know for sure is they are damn rare as that is the only type of Diablo i have not been lucky enough to ever encounter.

interesting link here;

http://www.motortrend.com/features/archive/112_9511_lamborghini_diablo_se30/index.html

 

I stated on LP a few days back that we dont know how the kit was going to work on U.S. soil. Apart from the differences of intake valves, the effects of utilizing different fuel used stateside, and a host of other issues and questions, it takes some cajones to perform the transformation. I applaud these guys for pursuing their dream of owning a jota and making it work for U.S soil. For tamer guys like myself, putting on small stuff like an exhaust is about as extensive Ill get... Whether or not people will look at the cars as a true jotas would depend on how they interpret Lamborghini history...

As to the value of a jota conversion stateside? I wouldnt comment on that as it is an agreement of the percieved value between the potential seller and buyer... And if either one of the jota owners want to ask for a high price, then it is up to what collectors would be willing to pay for a converted jota stateside.

Bottom line, is different strokes for different folks... even if its just out of the 20 some se30 owners in the states...

 

Hi Emilio,

The lighter crank shaft hasn't been used in any other designed-for-the-street Diablos. But I've heard it was used in race cars like the SVR, GTR,. Here's why: The lighter crank shaft on the SE30 causes the advantage of allowing the engine to rev up (and down) much more quickly, which is great for accelerating and for quicker proper down-shifts (heel/toeing). But, it makes the car less user friendly for street use. As SE30 drivers know, it is real easy to kill the engine when starting from a dead stop. That is because with less rotating mass, and less rotational inertia, when the clutch pedal comes out and the clutch assembly grabs ahold of the crank shaft, the crank shaft slows down real fast (faster than on a regular Diablo) which pulls your rpm's down real fast, which will kill the engine unless you are really on the ball and used to driving the SE30. Anyway, the power increase in the SE30 engine is the smaller part of the increased performance of the SE30....the main reason for the improved performance is the weight reduction...........just like you said +-30 more hp on a 500hp engine isn't a huge deal. So Lamborghini decided the small increment in engine performance was not worth the penalty in street drivability to use it on other street Diablos.