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  1. rob lay

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    Jennie and I just got back from 3 days of skiing at Angel Fire, New Mexico. Neither of us are very experienced skiers. Both of us have only been about 6 times in our life spread out over years, last time 3 years ago at Copper. We had a lesson there to start, but tired out quickly and didn't improve much. This time I started with a snowboarding lesson as I had never done it before and Jennie had a ski lesson. Jennie was immediately confident on the skis as I think the lesson 3 years ago stuck and she was fresh. I beat myself up for two half days on the snow board falling every 2-3 turns. I either slammed my butt, face planted, or cart wheeled at least a 100 times. Glad I tried it, but I was getting too hurt and sore, so switched back to skis. Although already beat up from snowboard, like Jennie, I was immediately comfortable back on the skis. Jennie and I are the same ski level and had a great time the rest of the trip skiing together. We ended up doing about half the blues at Angel Fire and would have done the others, but ran out of time.

    So the short of it is Jennie and I really like this skiing thing and want to start doing it a few times a year instead of once every 3-5 years. We won't be able to go anymore this year I don't think, but will try to ski several times next year. I want to learn a little more about ski equipment, as we might buy some instead of doing the cheap rental thing. What should we look for? What brands, what sizes, how much should we expect to spend?

    I told them I was a beginner and they had me on 165's. I assume the more advanced you are that the skis get longer? What does that give you? Faster, but wouldn't it make cutting harder? So for an intermediate skier that likes speed and cutting on Blues (no Blacks and I can't even imagine doing those yet!) what should we be looking at? I'm little over 6'1" and Jennie is about 5'7".

    Thanks!
     
  2. Napolis

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    #2 Napolis, Feb 17, 2009
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    The most important thing is a comfortable pair of ski boots. Do not let them sell you a pair that you are not comfortable in.

    Shorter shaped skis are easier for beginners. I think the best thing to do is to demo several skis over a few days. Combind this with your next trip. Most ski area shops will let you deduct the demo cost from purchase price. Buy a comfortable pair of boots first. Make sure you go to a good shop and tell them your level. You don't need racing/high performance boots at this stage.

    Warm clothes are also very important. Skiing freezing is no fun. Make sure your bindings are good ones and adjusted properly.

    Definietely wear a helmet. Get good eye ware. Fogged up in a blizzard is no fun either.

    One fine day ski Europe.

    Best
     
  3. Fast_ian

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    +1 Trouble is, "comfy" in the store is different to comfy on the piste.......

    Given your MO, I'd go as far as to say buy yourselves a pair of boots each - End of season sales? Don't buy skis/bindings - Demo 'em later as suggested.

    Wear the boots around the house for a few hours (!) - You're gonna be wearing 'em on the slope for more hours - Are they still comfortable? - If not, return to boot supplier and explain the "problem".....

    BTW, sorry the snowboarding experiment didn't work out - Sounds like you were almost there - My first two days were very possibly the most miserable of my entire life.... I'd been given wrist guards, had a cushion over the tailbone, a helmet, and it still *sucked*!.... BUT, the transition from the "blues" to the trees was *much* easier on the board than skis :D - Get in to the pow' and it all makes sense......

    Cheers,
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  4. PhilNotHill

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    #4 PhilNotHill, Feb 17, 2009
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    Most important thing is boots...don't skimp there.

    I know many people who own their boots and rent their skis. they can always try new equipment and if you find something you really like you can buy it AFTER you get good enough to know what you want.

    buy some good ski socks that wick away sweat...your feet will stay warmer.

    and if you get skis have them waxed and the edges sharpened after at least every 10 times. You don't need a full tune (totally new base) unless you really mess up the bottoms.

    good goggles and a helmet are a must. and use defogger on the lenses. I have a Smith cloth that I have used for years...works great. helmets keep your head warmer...and one freak accident and, well we don't want to talk about it. you wear a helmet on a race track with seat belts and air bags...you need a good helmet.

    I do not like one piece ski suits. I prefer Columbia ski bib overalls with a jacket. then I can easily add or subtract layers depending on the weather.

    and you must have a good gator for your neck. amazing how much warmer this will keep you in cold weather.

    poles...buy or rent cheap poles that nobody want to steal.

    get a ski lock and lock your skis to the rack when you go inside for lunch and/or the John. even though they are rented skis who needs the hassle of having your skis gone when you are trying to ski.

    take lessons. your intructor will have some good ideas on the kind and size of the equipment you need for your abilities.

    let me know if you have any questions.
     
  5. rob lay

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    I found a good website for equipment reviews that breaks down the ski levels below. I would put myself at a #6 after this weekend. Based on I've only skied 6 times in my life, last time 3 years ago, then I think a few trips next year and I'll advance quickly to a moderate #7 where I'm very comfortable on blues and starting to try blacks.

    http://www.realskiers.com/SUPPORT/ability.html
     
  6. Fast_ian

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    Rob, with apologies in advance (!), but I'd be really, really surprised if after that little experience you were a "genuine" level 6..... I don't mean to pi$$ on your parade, but it's a classic instructor refrain:

    "Guys *always* overestimate their abilities, whereas women tend to do the opposite." [Something to do with testerone, I guess ;)]

    Are you really *carving*, confidently thru the turns? - Not "skidding" with your skis parallel, but *feeling* the skis load up as you turn? Do you slow down (and possibly revert back to the snow plough?) on the "steep bits" of your blue runs? How are you doing in "chop"?

    Main reason for mentioning it, is a "level 6" boot is a very different beast to a more "beginner" boot - Don't BS the guy/gal in the boot store as you'll wind up with something that's not right for you....... [Probably way too stiff, but it's been a long time since I've worn ski boots.]

    As always, my 02c,
    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  7. kokinos

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    I suggest you take a look at the new reverse camber skis available, I usually ski once out of every 10 days vs snowboarding. With my new set of Lib Tech NAS the ratio is back to about 70-30 in favour of skiing right now :)

    Since the tip and tail of the ski aren't pressing the ground I find them easier to use and fantastic in powder. I'm more of a "Park Rat" and these skis do wonders in that terrain also.
     
  8. rob lay

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    I don't know. The description for #6 sounds very accurate "make confident parallel turns on intermediate trails but tend to avoid more advanced runs—goal for most is to improve and learn to ski more difficult terrain". The description for #7 is starting to sound achievable soon because I feel about ready to head down a black just to say I did it. It would be very loopy S turns and much side skidding though.

    To give you a better description, I don't snow plow at all anymore except maybe the last few feet in lift line or the deck with crowds. My skis stay parallel and as the weekend progressed they were closer and closer, sometimes getting that "classic" look of knees close together and legs fixed. The greens I basically go straight down with just a few long carving turns if speed gets too high in the steeper parts. Usually the greens have so much traffic avoidance the speed stays in check just avoiding people. Jennie and I weren't getting passed on the greens. Now the blues were more tight S turns and yes they were more skidding in the steep parts than carving. I'm not able to go straight down and carve the steepest of the blues yet, I have to skid the turns for speed control. For much of the blue run though I can open up the turns and not bleed speed off. I've also got the moderate speed hockey stop down, I can basically come in straight at speed and hockey stop kicking snow waist high on Jennie and about 20 ft. She loves that! ;) I think my speed tolerance and confidence in my balance and turning comes from my bike racing and not car racing. Nothing like 45-50 mph down a hill on 16 lb. bike with bare legs and then leaning into a corner at 35 mph with bikes 1-2 ft. all sides of you. Car racing is easy compared to that. :)

    I was so beat up and sore after snowboarding too, I can't wait to ski fresh.
     
  9. Doug

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    Some good advice here.
    I would second the call for boots first and get them at a specialty boot shop which are usually based in the ski towns. They will look at your foot and lower leg and rule out many of the boots. Like running shoes, they all have a different fit and your foot/lower leg type will be happiest in certain boots. Certain foot types may also fare far better with orthotics that they can make.
    If you are an advancing skier, I would suggest using an actual ski shop to rent demo skis. You pay a few more $ but they carry higher end skis and not run of the mill beat up rentals. You can try different models each day and as you progress through the years, you can purchase a set when you are reach your goal of ability. As you get better, the type of ski you use may change.
     
  10. PhilNotHill

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    I am a 7 and have skiied since I was 13 and ski a few times every week.

    A six after only 6 times is amaxing unless you are a natural athlete.

    I would just like to say that a blue on Aspen mountain is at least a blue-black or black at Smowmass. Angel Fire is pretty easy IMVHO. more like Buttermilk here.

    BTW have your bindings set loose. I told the shop that I was a 7 and I ruptured my achilles when my ski didn't release. better to have your bindings release to easily unless you are a real expert skiier.

    Take lessons. Just like driving school a good teacher is more valuable than the best equipment. Like having an Fcar and not know how to drive it properly.
     
  11. rob lay

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    I've heard Angel Fire is one of the easiest mountains and I know there isn't any standard rating system. Looking back at it again just reading #6 sounds close, but after reading #5 that seems much more appropriate. I'm not using a wedge hardly at all, but am cautious on the harder Blue parts and ice
     
  12. james patterson

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    Like everyone has said- most important piece of equipment is a Helmet. Don't buy skis because what you like now won't be near enough in two years, you can rent performance gear at most good shops on the mountain that will be more than good enough till you have reached a higher level. Boots are always a good buy, but don't go too soft or you will be unhappy in a few years and you can get quite a few years out of a pair of boots if you ski a 10-15 days a year. Most ski shops will guaranty boot fit, if they don't find another place to buy. On boots what feels nice and comfy in the shop may be to soft when you start rippin' the steep and deep.

    And who says you can't go again this year, I want to get a last few runs in on the last weekend of March. Have a house in Crested Butte and some airline miles - you interested.
     
  13. rob lay

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    Racing the 14th, I hope. ;) The FChat fly-in with Russ to Fredericksburg 28th, 21st is open. :)
     
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    The 21st is right in the middle of spring break so it is crowded - will check my schedule and give you a shout back.
     
  15. rob lay

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    busy time for me, next year best then.
     
  16. dwhite

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    Rob, I started skiing when I was 8 - bithday gift from dad - and I say don't buy skies unless you are going 20+ times a year. Get boots and just rent demos. You will always be on the best equipment and you don't have to take them with you when you are flying to the west or europe. Skking is a great sport and you meet loads of good folks. Enjoy.
     
  17. jakermc

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    He is. Collegiate swimmer. Triathalete. Race car driver. And good at all of them. I does not surprise me that he would excel quickly at skiing.
     
  18. rob lay

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    Olympics 2010 I say! ;) Angel Fire is easy and I'm more a #5 looking back.
     
  19. nsxnick

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    my family and i recently returned from whistler. we normally take our skis but this time we tried renting. wow... the convenience. it is such a burden to haul skis and boots through the airport and in/on the car. ski rental nowadays is not like it was in the 80's... you can get quality modern equipment. we decided to off load all our equipment on ebay and rent from now on.
     

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