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$1924 Ferrari F355 engine out belt service

Discussion in '348/355' started by ExcelsiorZ, Feb 28, 2009.

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  1. ExcelsiorZ

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    Shops in the UK routinely offer the engine-out belt service for under $2000. A shop which specializes in Ferrari is on Ebay and they even include a wheel alignment and paint the valve covers all for just $1924. The cost of living is actually HIGHER in the UK than here. (When I was there a few months ago I was paying $9 for a gallon of petrol!) So why are we being charged $6000?

    I AM LOOKING FOR SOMEONE EXPERIENCED TO CHANGE MY BELTS IN THE LOS ANGELES AREA. PLEASE PM OR EMAIL ME BEST OFFERS. I've already purchased the timing belts and bearings.

    Otherwise, it may be cheaper to ship my car to england, have it served over there, then ship it back to America! Crazy!
     
  2. zero

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    Your paying $6000 for a gallon of petrol dude!! :D
     
  3. JF308

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    Aren't the parts kits alone $1500 bucks.....? plus just the labor hrs to decouple/drop the engine, and the back in hrs.....

    Something does not compute.
     
  4. Europeanroadandracing

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    I agree. I have heard similar rumors. Just don't know how that is possible. There is almost no room for markup and nothing left for labor plus misc. items like oil, antifreeze and other odds and ends.
    I would be out of business.
     
  5. FandLcars

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    You get what you pay for. As far as mechanical work, sounds like $1924 gets you belts, and not much else. IIRC, this service at a dealer or certified independent is a 40hr job. Take a look at the 355 30k mi service list of work required, in the owner's manual, and see what you think $1924 gets you.
     
  6. ExcelsiorZ

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    You get what you payed for and sometimes you get screwed!

    The $1924 gets your engine out, inspected, re-oiled, new belts, valve covers painted, an alignment, etc. What I call the miscellaneous stuff, e.g., gas filter, spark plugs, that work is quick and easy once the hard work is done, ie the engine removed and timing belts replaced. Let's think about this for a moment. More than $6000 for a 30k service? Seriously? I can buy a 100,000 mile warranty for my twin turbo V12 Mercedes convertible for substantially less! And that warranty covers my entire drivetrain, electro-hydraulic roof, etc etc etc (that car in a straight line will eat a 360).

    Or how about a 2003 Audi Avant Wagon!!!!!!! It cost $6100!

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Audi-A4-AVANT-2003-AUDI-A4-AVANT-QUATTRO-1-8T-WAGON-ONE-OWNER_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a3Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1308QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem130288522315QQitemZ130288522315QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks

    For $6,000 I'm real tempted to do it myself. Or better yet, yank the torque-less 3.5 out and drop in a real engine. I hear a Bentley twin turbo W12 motor will fit! No timing belts ever again and german reliability....and more torque than any motor Ferrari has ever built.
     
  7. James-NZ

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    In NZ worst case on a 355 major service is $6000 NZD! I am not sure why the same service costs so much more in the U.S. but I can guess it has something to do with labour costs and mark up on parts.

    People will try to justify the extra expense sighting things like "quality is never cheap" or "you get what you pay for" but in this case there are many service centers around the world performing the same work for much less $.
     
  8. ExcelsiorZ

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    6000 New Zealand dollars equals $3000 USD.
     
  9. Miltonian

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    Please post a link (if possible) to an ad from someone claiming to do an "engine-out" belt service on a 355 for $1924 including parts and labor. Are you sure you're not talking about 1924 POUNDS? Even that would be too low to make enough profit to stay in business (my own opinion).
     
  10. Chris Honeywell

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    Sorry but you guys in the usa get screwed on ferrari servicing
    you can get the belts done for under £1000 on a 348 in the uk inc the 15% tax
    thats JUST the belt though

    But the prices are engine out

    check out the pricing below thats a TOP ferrari indi

    http://www.verdi-ferrari.com/servicing.htm
     
  11. KKSBA

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    If it were £ (must be) that would be around $2,750.00.

    If parts were $1,500.00 that leaves $1,250.00 for labor.

    If its a 40 hour job that's $31.25/hr... Which back to pounds is about £22/hour. And, I just don't/can't believe it...
     
  12. Chris Honeywell

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    I think the problem is that the labour you get charged in the USA is what bumps the $$ up
    no way will it take 40 hours for a 355 belt change
     
  13. Miltonian

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    The link to Verdi's site (posted above) does not say anything about an "engine out" service, does it?
     
  14. Lagerlout

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    No it doesn't... I wonder why?? ;)
     
  15. Chris Honeywell

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    I will be ringing on monday to find out..
    but almost no-one in the UK will have a 355-348 belt change done with the engine in there has been many a thread on that subject on the UK forums
    and they are a indi that many people use (NOT ME YET) though:)
    When i bought my car the engine out service was done prior to me buying it total bill came to just under £2000 inc belt filters etc

    Fact is on a 348 if you know what your doing engine out and back in is 1 days work just for that then extra time for belts etc to be changed
     
  16. Lagerlout

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    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=190159&highlight=verdi+engine
     
  17. Chris Honeywell

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    Hmmm just rang someone those prices are engine in
     
  18. zero

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    I think we can stop pointing fingers at Karl Verdie. He is not the only one who does cambelt changes for less than a grand in the UK. There are many who do it for less than a grand with the engine out as well. I know of 4 in the UK that do, heres a link to one with a price list after a quick search www.gtautos.co.uk Click the top menu on the page.
    So lets stop with the Verdie bashing ey and do some home work;)
     
  19. Lagerlout

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    No one is bashing anyone. People are reporting facts, thats it. Make if it what you will. Karl is a top bloke, but personally I wouldn't get my major service done engine in by anyone. If you are happy with this that's up to you.
     
  20. ExcelsiorZ

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    Yes, that rate is in pounds (I know the difference).

    Here's the link on Ebay:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150327782315
     
  21. zero

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    Its not a case of me being happy with a damned thing. I know which way this thread was heading and now i have just posted another link above to deviate away from were this thread was going. And the thread was originaly about a belt service, when did the "major" service bit get introduced? I posted one link example regarding the belt change only with the engine out for less than a grand. www.gtautos.co.uk to lead this thread in the right direction.
     
  22. ExcelsiorZ

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    As long as people in the USA pay stupid prices stupid prices will be charged.

    Let's think back now, how much was a 430 Spider when they first came out? I've heard reports of sales close to $400k. I've recently seen 430 spiders selling with low miles for $125 to $135. Hey, if there are enough of us fools out there willing to dole out $6k for a belt change why charge less? Funny thing is, a fully blown service in the usa can run 20%-25% of the car's current mkt value. Call me crazy, I don't want to pay $6k to get my timing belts changed every five years.
     
  23. Lagerlout

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    I'll say it again, if you or anyone else thinks a belt service, a major or whatever else can be done properly in-situ then that's great, do it. If you don't, you pay a lot more and go to someone who will drop the engine. I don't see why you need to insinuate people are bashing any particular independants here. They are not. Some people don't care if the engine is dropped or not, some people do. End of.
     
  24. ExcelsiorZ

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    Maybe it's time we get a group together and get a group deal on transporting our cars to the UK. Then, once serviced, we take a Ferrari run to Dover and a Ferry to the continent, drive around Europe, transport our cars back, and all for not much more than the cost of a dealer service her in the USA! (Exclusive of hotels and meals of course.) :)
     
  25. ExcelsiorZ

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    The service listed on ebay is for THE ENGINE OUT!
     

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