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Lewis Hamilton's F1 world title not as credible as mine, says Nigel Mansell

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  1. jk0001

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    #1 jk0001, Mar 4, 2009
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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/lewishamilton/4937245/Lewis-Hamiltons-F1-world-title-not-as-credible-as-mine-says-Nigel-Mansell.html

    Nigel Mansell, Formula One’s bravest Brum, has claimed that his world championship is more valuable than Lewis Hamilton’s because he raced against more rivals.

    By Andrew Baker
    Last Updated: 11:34AM GMT 04 Mar 2009


    “No disrespect to Lewis,” the 55-year-old Mansell said. “But what’s the point of a championship when you only have 18 or 20 cars running? When I won the title, I beat 25 other cars. That makes Lewis’s title 20 per cent less credible than mine.”

    Mansell never lacked credibility on the track, where he was widely regarded as one of the most courageous competitors ever to sit in a car. But his swipe at Hamilton does little for his dignity in retirement.

    As “Our Nige” would no doubt admit if he took a sensible pill, the comparisons between his championship year in 1992 and Hamilton’s win last year do not really hold up.

    Mansell’s Williams-Renault, in which he won the first five races of the year, was, technologically speaking, the class of the field, further ahead of their main rivals (McLaren-Honda) than Hamilton’s team was ahead of Ferrari last year.

    Proof? McLaren’s Ayrton Senna, one of the most gifted drivers of all time, managed only three wins all season to Mansell’s nine. The only other team to get a look-in were Benetton, for whom a young Michael Schumacher won a solitary race.

    Both Hamilton and Mansell enjoyed dominant relationships with their respective team-mates, Heikki Kovalainen and Riccardo Patrese respectively, who each took just a single win in the title season.

    But Hamilton faced a much more competitive rival team in Ferrari, with BMW, Toro Rosso and Renault also scoring victories.

    Mansell’s point about sheer numbers on the grid is undeniable, but some of his “rivals” were feeble by current standards of competition: does anyone recall great performances by Fondmetal? Venturi Larrousse? Scuderia Italia? The tragi-comic Andrea Moda? I could go on: both Brabham and Lotus were on their last legs, Jordan had hopeless Yamaha engines, Footwork never amounted to much, and Ferrari were scraping the barrel with Ivan Capelli. In 1992, quantity did not equate to quality.



    Amazing he is not liked by his fellow drivers or ex-world champions. He has a tuff cross to bear.
     
  2. Bas

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    If i remember correctly, his car was the only car in the field with a flappy paddle gearbox and adjustable suspension. The car was a damn sight faster than his competition was so i don't know what he's *****ing about.
     
  3. Drive550PFB

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    Nigel needs to shut up and fade into the drapes.

    The whole field is so much more competitive. I am not a LH fan, but winning the WDC in the current era is pretty dam.n special. A few years ago, I can't remember when, but F-1 and one of the Indy Car series both raced at the same track in Canada. I remember my son telling me that if you took Minardi's time on that track and put it in the Indy field, Minardi would have been on pole.

    I'm too busy today to go back and research this, but I remember doing the research at the time and it was accurate.
     
  4. DF1

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    Not fair for him to say this. LH won an amazing title finish last year. Its a well earned title. Very poor taste Nigel.
     
  5. Gilles27

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    #5 Gilles27, Mar 4, 2009
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    Here's a list of all those teams Nigel so thoroughly defeated:

    1 Williams-Renault 164
    2 McLaren-Honda 99
    3 Benetton-Ford 91
    4 Ferrari 21
    5 Lotus-Ford 13
    6 Tyrrell-llmor 8
    7 Footwork-Mugen-Honda 6
    8 Ligier-Renault 6
    9 March-Ilmor 3
    10 Dallara-Ferrari 2
    11 Jordan-Yamaha 1
    12 Minardi-Lamborghini 1
    13 Larrousse-Lamborghini 1
    14 Fondmetal-Ford 0
    15 Brabham-Judd 0
    16 Moda Judd 0

    3 teams won races among 5 drivers

    And Hamilton:

    1 Ferrari 172
    2 McLaren-Mercedes 151
    3 BMW Sauber 135
    4 Renault 80
    5 Toyota 56
    6 STR-Ferrari 39
    7 Red Bull-Renault 29
    8 Williams-Toyota 26
    9 Honda 14
    10 Force India-Ferrari 0
    11 Super Aguri-Honda 0

    5 teams won races among 7 drivers


    Mansell basically doubled the points of his closest competitor--his teammate Patrese. After that it was Schumacher and Senna and nobody really. So the only argument Nigel has is that he had more backmarkers to navigate through.
     
  6. kraftwerk

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    Yes amazing they keep spouting a load of old bolloxs.
     
  7. Formula1Fan

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    Us retired geezers don't have any current glories to live on so we have to live on the past ones. Why when I first got into transportation planning we didn't have a computer on our desks so we sometimes had to resort to hand calculations. Today a youngster couldn't even tell you what 6 X 8 is without using their computer (hold on a minute while I check).
     
  8. decardona

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    Mansell had the BEST car in 1992, by far. At the half way point of 1991, the Williams was best, but he couldn't catch Senna. In 1986, he blew it at Adelaide. And in 1987, he wrecked in Japan and gave it to Piquet. So, summing up - he gave away two titles, couldn't do enough for the third time and then won in the absolute BEST car. Aren't you suppose to win in the best car? I never was a fan of Mansell, nor am I a fan of Hamilton, but Lewis did it with 3 other cars contending while Mansell ran away in the dominant car.
     
  9. zero

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    Mansell had his Topgear lap time time in a reasonably priced car, crushed by LH. Thats why so bitter:D:D
     
  10. Fast_ian

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    +1 :D

    He was as wanker back then, and, at least IMHO, remains one today - I'll concede he can drive (a WDC and rookie of the year in Indycars) but he was simply never "liked" by anyone "in the business" as far as I can tell....
     
  11. Senna1994

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    + 1000 he was exciting to watch in the car, but out of it he was a complete jerk. I read his Autobiography and the guy had a huge chip on his shoulder as well as being extremely insecure. The fact that he left in 1993 from Williams when Prost was joining showed another side of him as well, he decided after his last season at Ferrari in 1990 that he had to absolutely be the "1" driver on the team. Shame because I think he would have done well in the 93 Williams regardless of Prost. But the guy really is full of crap.
     
  12. Fast_ian

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    +1

    Another true tale: I was working for Eddie Jordan in 1980 in F3 - We had a new March 803 and NM was in the works March (the same car), so we pitted "together"... [The 803 turned out to be a POS BTW] How he got the drive in the first place remains something of a mystery. Anyway;

    After 1st practice: "Nige, how d'ya reckon it went?",
    NM "Don't know yet" [He would never commit until *after* the list came from control] - If he wasn't in the top 3-4 *then* the engine was "down on power" - OK, Change it for session #2.

    After 2nd practice: "How's the new motor?".... "Don't know" (!!!) - "Please put the first motor back in for the race....." That happened at least once, but sometimes he'd stick with motor #2. [The mechanics *loved* him of course! - NOT!]

    As I said, and please note I'm a Brit, he was always a jerk. But he was quick at times.

    My 02c,
    Cheers
     
  13. Bas

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    lol:D.

    take topgear laptimes with a pinch of salt though.
     
  14. RS man

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    Both my mate and I applauded when Mansell failed in the race - such a bloody winger!

    Harry
     
  15. Gilles27

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    I think Nige's proudest moment was when he attempted to return to McLaren but couldn't squeeze into the tub.
     
  16. racerx3317

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    Actually Mansell was a tenth quicker. Hamilton had a wet lap.
     
  17. Whisky

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    And Nigel's is not as credible as Hunt's.

    And Hunt's is not as credible as Clark's.

    and on and on and on...
     
  18. Whisky

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    I would have gone thru the motions and either left it or stuck the same motor back in the car, he wouldn't know the difference.

    I read a story that shortly after Ferrari signed Alboreto, they went tire testing...

    After laps, Alboreto came in, they put on another set of tires, but in reality they played a big shell game and swapped out all over the place, and put the SAME tires back on.
    So Alboreto goes back out, turns more laps, comes back in and says 'are you sure you changed the tires ? the car is reacting exactly the same as before'. That is when they learned they had a helluva driver, too bad he didn't have the chassis to show it.
     
  19. rmani

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    lewis raced against alonso, one of the best ever. shut your face nigel
     
  20. Isobel

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    I don't believe Mansell said a word of it. Prat or not, the comment denigrates the accomplishments of WDCs from all of the 50's and most of the 60's, when it was common to have 20 cars (often less) on the grid with only 12 venues (often far less) on the calendar. Insulting McHam is one thing, Fangio and Clark another. I'll wait for the tape.

    The Brits must know, what happened with Mansell's sons ? Are they still racing or is it all over ?
     
  21. racerx3317

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    And Mansell raced Senna, Prost, Piquet, and MS all of which are some of the best drivers ever. Mansell is full of it but he had some competition to deal with.
     
  22. zero

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    Mmm so in the DRY Mansell was one tenth quicker that Lewis, who drove it in the WET? That sounds even worse dosnt it?:D
     
  23. racerx3317

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    It doesn't really matter does it? Conditions weren't the same for both their laps so Mansell didn't have his "time in a reasonably priced car, crushed by LH" did he? When Lewis does a dry lap, and he said he would, then they can be compared. Until then he's a tenth slower than Mansell.
     
  24. zero

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    Dont get all anal about this man:rolleyes: It means nothing aand what i said was just a little light harted joke, jesus there always one:rolleyes:
     
  25. GTE

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    I believe the flappy paddles were introduced in 1989 by Ferrari. The 1992 Williams FW14B of course did have them, but at least Ferrari did too. It is without a doubt the the FW14B was the only car that made active suspension actually work well. The car was far beyond the rest of the field. Especially in the hands of Nigel Mansell. His pole lap at the British GP of that year still is one of the most amazing laps I have ever seen. Together with Hakkinen´s quali-lap at Estoril in 1993. Shook Ayrton Senna right awake, after being lulled to sleep with a below par teammate and a car that wasn´t really a match for the Williams Renault or even the Benetton Ford.
     

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