GTC4 Half Off Pricing?

sign of the times and the way wall street is responding lately, going to be getting worse.

 

Half price for half the car. Don't like the targa chop.

 

Its not a GTC4 its rather a Frankencar, flee from it screaming

 

The car has very little market appeal with the color and the chop top. I love the GTC4 but with its top and a dark color like blue. There were a couple nice ones at Cavalino this year.

 

Weld the top back on and paint it blue?

 

Unless the engine needs a rebuild, this seems like a good price; it's still a Ferrari.

 

I take it the owner is learning the hard way. We've all seen mod's before but what was this guy thinking?

 

The entire interior is a mess as well. Someone spent some money to make the upholstery and dash look horrendous and it will cost a lot to put it back to the way it should be as well.

 

Maybe someone should chop the rest of the roof off. I still prefer the original coupe, but at least as a full convertible it looks better than this thing.

Best to weld the roof back on. Costly too, which makes this car worth....the sum of its' parts.

 

moral of the story- never F with an F-car.

 

This appears to be the car that was written up at length in Forza magazine not too long ago. The interior mods were, as I recall, quite extensive- and equally unappealing. Nevertheless, this could be a good deal if it's mechanically sound . . .

 

What's that device on the stalk rising up from the passenger footwell? A taxi meter?

 

So the rear seats of a normal c4 don't normally look like a saggy porn sofa? And is that a CB in the front?

But seriously, is the gtc regarded in any way similarly to the 365gt or the 400gt? Or are they still bathed in the halo of the older pre-fiat ferrari image?
chris

 

At the time, 1973 or 74, that was the the high end Becker, I think called Europa, radio control. I suppose there would've been marketing hype about not having to move your hands too far from the wheel. Looks like it has equalizer settings as well.

For all the ragging on this car, it is still a Ferrari, and I'd be proud to have it; I would have to make up a good story about the "porn couch" in the back though. That was a good one, LOL!

 

The C4 shares a huge number of similarities with the 365GT4/2+2 that immediately followed it. Basically mechanically identical in drivetrain, the GT4 had a longer wheelbase. The engines were the same, with 4390 cc displacement, six sidedraft carburetors, a wet sump and putting out 320 hp. The GT4/2+2 weighs in at 3,946 lbs. (dry) while the C4 is shown as 3,924 - a difference of 22 lbs. or about a case of wine! All these figures are from Bluemel's "Original Ferrari V-12 1965-1973".

As for how they are regarded, the GT4/2+2 suffers from the same affliction that all 2+2 Ferrari models have and that is they are not regarded as highly. I do not think that the pre vs. post Fiat viewpoint applies to these models. The result is that you can buy 90% of the thrill of the two seater for less than 50% of the price.

The body styling of the later car is reflective of the new Pininfarina styling of the 70's and is a break from the more sensuous and flowing style of the C4. Which one you like is a matter of personal taste but both styles have aged very well IMO.

The overall look of the C4 being discussed in this thread is that it must have been ordered by a pimp.

John

 

Three horsey stickers!

 

it's a pimped ride, for sure, but if in VG all-round condition, numbers match, etc., not a bad buy at all.

At that price, I wouldn't mind the targa top conversion, if cleanly/professionally done, watertight, and properly ventilated for air flow. Reason: the Tubi on my 308 sounds so good with the tt off; think of the sounds from the C/4's 12.

It looks fine with the top back on, not bad with it off. There's a natural cut line at the thick roof pillar, similar to a 3x8GTS

Shields-get rid of

Replacement upholstery and incorrect wood wheel-abominable. Need $10K to clean that up.

Painted rear bumper-50/50. Painted front rubber mouth is ok.

 

no doubt. It's not just the mods that are hurting this car. Last year this car would've been scooped up quickly at a price higher than this.

 

The overstuffed upholstery is a huge turn off.
Otherwise, if the car is mechanically sound 56k would be a good buy considering most good ones are (were) well over 100k.
If I had the money to waste and seeing as the car is already butchered I would make it into a spyder and redo the seats back to OEM.
The wood would have to go.
I would probably change the (boring) red to Titanium with a black soft top while I was at it.

 

What is a well sorted, fully restored C4 go for in todays market?

 

Last year the good ones were "asking" 100 to 120k. I notice some are still on the market for that currently.
I imagine this year they will swing back down a ways for those that "need" to sell.

 

I first saw a 365 GTC/4 on the cover of Road & Track in 1972. I kept the cover and the article in my "Dream Cars" folders.

Personally I loved it!!! Reading the article I came away with the impression that the then "new" body style was seen as the wave of the future for Ferrari. A generational change in style that would leave the older Coke Bottle lines behind and reflect the more current state of the art, as well as Ferrari's way forward.

I could be suffering from loss of memory, but as I recall the 365 GTC/4 was significantly more expensive than the older 365 GTB Daytona of the day. The /4 indicated a 4 Cam engine, and the C/4 was not really presented or touted as a 2+2 on introduction, even though it had the small jump seats. {please correct me if I'm mistaken}

Many many years later, I had a chance to buy one - and I did. S/N #15215 just a couple cars after the car under discussion. Drove it all over Florida.. loved it... but as the market prices went out of sight around 87/88.... so did all the parts for the car. It simply became far to expensive for me to feel comfortable running the hell out of it on the freeways and by-ways. If I blew the engine up, it was getting to be more expensive to overhaul a V-12 than the car had cost me to begin with... So I let it go when the offers became so silly I just couldn't say no any longer.

A year or two later, I could have bought it back for about a fourth of what I sold it for... but by then I'd had my Ferrari and it was time to move on.

I still have a set of original ignition wires, a thermostat & housing, and a couple of distributor caps {expensive!!}. Also a full set of original mags - - - if anyone needs them.

FWIW,
Carl B.

 

Thanks for the recount Carl.
I've always liked them as well, "clown lips" and all.