6 Speed Vs. Paddles

Only if you want one or the person to whom you are selling the car wants one.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Don't buy it for someone else. Get what you want!!

 

First off, they are both six speeds.

Second, 360's with paddles or sticks sell for the same, so the original premium for paddles has disappeared.

I own a three pedal 430 but doubt there will ever be any premium placed on it vs paddles.

Dave

 

Dave- They are not both gated.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

I'm a little biased having a 6-spd manual F430 but I truly hope so given the slide in values of our cars. Since there are so much fewer 6-spd manuals vs F1, I hope in the future the manuals will be more valuable and desirable. After all, there will always be someone out there who would want three pedals and the gated shifter.

 

There are fewer and fewer manuals because more and more owners are ordering them with F-1. That may give you a clue about "supply and demand".

 

Call me old fashioned, but I sincerely hope Ferrari continues to offer a 6-speed manual transmission. The polished ball, stick and gate is as iconic to a Ferrari as the cavallino rampante. If I were using the car solely for track then you must have an F1 transmission to be competitive. But for street and/or occasional track use, nothing can compare to the tactile interaction of you and the shifter/clutch. I am really afraid that, in its inexorable march towards ever-increasing technological sophistication, Ferrari will forget its "roots" and discontinue offering the 6-speed manual transmission on all its cars.

As far as value, IMO, the comparative scarcity of 6-speed manual cars in (especially) the F430 and on, will add to their value. Technology is great, but I think in the not too distant future there will be a resurgence of "old school" driving - where the driver's skill plays the major role in car being driven as it was meant to be driven. Just my two-cents.

 

Every time I hear "paddle shift-her", I keep thinking of Castle Anthrax.
(... and after the spankings, .... )

(Oh, wicked, naughty Zoot)

 

The second hand market rules controls the value. If fear remains paddles require $ignificant attention should something go awry, depreciation follows, a benefit for those who prefer F1. Case in point, the values of Porsches with Tip.

 

I am pretty sure that Ferrari dictates how many Man vs Auto transmissions will be produced.
If you want a Ferrari, you get a paddle car, or wait a long time for a M/T to be produced.
Now that demand for Ferrari has dropped way down, it will be interesting to see how the production split changes in what is closer to a normal supply/demand market.

Personally, I will NOT buy a paddle shift Ferrari, provided I still have a left leg.

 

Higher repair expenses are a "benefit" of the F1 transmission?

 

I don't think there will ever be a premium placed on cars with old school gated shifters. The supply of such cars may be low but so is demand. As for [the frequently overstated] repair costs of F1 cars, the used market doesn't seem to know/care. 10 years after production, used F355s with F1 transmissions aren't hurting for value any more than gated shifter models.

 

Collectible Cars (20 to 30 years from now) stand out with unique and obsolete features, but unless you are buying the car to put in a car show 25 years from now, you might want to go with whatever feels right for you.

Michael

 

That's now. What people consider desirable 10 or 20 years from now isn't so cut and dried.

To get back to the OP, we already know from FChat that a good number of 355 and 360 buyers in the secondary market are requesting manual gearboxes. The reasons that leap to mind are (1) that the clunky early F1 tech has already been made obsolete by the dual-clutch and other better systems; (2) old F1 tech is going to be expensive to maintain over the longer term; and (3) Ferraris have almost always been weekend sports cars, meaning the stuck-in-traffic handicap of a manual gearbox is not much of an issue.

I'd say manual gearboxes will command a premium over the longer term.

 

Another angle here. I doubt that ten years from now, people will be saying "boy, I sure prefer the paddle shifting/millisecond speed that Ferrari used to have with the 360 and 430's, compared to what the 'new' models are using". "Do you remember when millisecond times were......, compared to the new 2015 model". I would guess however that some will be saying that they still prefer the true manual ten years from now for the "involvement". It (gated) may not be as fast around a track, but neither are the older timeless classics that are cherished for things other than stopwatch numbers. It will be a sad day when the gates are gone.

 

The hand-writing on manual shifters is somewhat on the line. You can no longer order a 612 with a manual transmission. Remains to be seen on resale. Not much difference for 575Ms, at least, with some preferring one and others the alternative.

On this Forum, manual six speed owners/desirers are far noisier about their choice than F1 drivers. "Please Mother, I would rather do it myself." Guess some need to be manly-men and want the rest to know about it.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

why would you link the f1 to tiptronic?
the difference in acceptance by serious drivers is as night from day

 

20 years from now, people looking for what will be a "classic" Ferrari will never have even SEEN a manual car, let alone know how to drive one. They will have done all their practicing on an the latest Xbox 1000. Honestly, how many cars today come with a manual? I think there's a higher percentage of modern Ferrari's with a manual than the general population.

When we buy classic, we always want things that are "period" -- we even want period radios and tires even though there are much better modern replacement products available.

The F-1 box will be "period" to many, provided cars like ours aren't regulated out of existance by then.

 

Not to a die hard 3 pedal driver

 

What will Ferrari morph into? Since the mid to late 80's, we have seen chrome disappear, levers and toggles go the way of insipid/sterile push-button features, no clutches/stick required if given a choice, more circuit board controlled commands, insulating the driver from the feel of the road with what was once clearly a different driving experience (although I confess I have not driven different Ferraris....just from what I've heard, and perhaps some can agree with me).

 

are you saying manual fans would prefer a tip to an f1?

 

Tip = F1 to a die hard driver.
Both belong in a minivan, not a sports car.

 

Fred- You sure prove one of my points. Congratulations on being a "manly-man".

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

and the "most absurd statement of the year goes to..."

envelope, please