Handmade Alloy 250 GTO

turn it into a 14 gram paper weight.
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Since we seem to have some more down to earth car fettlers in this thread:

I have a good friend, a racer & car dealer for the last 40 years, who keeps looking at the rusty 250GTE (ex Shaughnessy for $20k less engine & box) parked in my hangar.

He knows I don't want the body and he wants to make a film of him & his boys cutting it into small pieces with oxy-acetylene & 9inch cutting discs. Do you think it would make a popular post on FChat?

Would I be excommunicated?

 

i still use a log fire,if it gets too cold,just put a jumper on.

 

LOL
at the end of the day the heart of a car is its engine.
I am so over the over restored Pebble beach type cars,at least in the UK and here we like patina.
I'd pay more for a patina quality car then a basket case hanger queen.
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Compared to the amount of replicas built, they are a rare sight! The only explanation I've come up with so far is that they turned out not to be such tremendous cars as expected to be when built/bought.

I frequently receive emails containing pictures of a replica, where the owner claimed it to be a real thing. It happens a lot. Marcel Massini has confirmed the same and he probably reveives 10x more emails than me!

It is just plain sad that these cars are not saved or kept as they are. Why does the only options seem to be 1) restore to top level 2) part it out? Why can't it be what it is; a slightly ratty driver with lots of patin in decent mechanical shape can also be a wonderfull car that brings joy to its owner!

Best wishes, Kare

I don't really understand the E-type. If I wanted an ugly car with track of 1300mm, I'd buy me Fiat 128.

 

Mate,

I'd love to. If you knew my Alfa Romeo 1750GTV restoration you would know that I'm into saving cars, and this concept that a car is beyond repair really implies that the owner is not really into old cars. Anything and everything is repairable if there is the want. Who cares how much it costs it's a hobbie. This is also one of the reasons I'm so against these 'shallow' replica trade ... makes it harder for the true enthusiast like me to afford the wreck ... not all old car enthusiasts have stock portfolios, some are hands on, etc.

Also there was a comment in a previous post about the owner enjoying his replica SWB, I wonder if the replica process has simply corrected many mechanical faults. Thus my point is everybody that cr@ps on GTE's, etc. should try and drive a properly maintained one before the right them off ... all unmaintained old cars drive like ****. And yes I'm not so into originality that old shocks and bushes should not be replaced ... if a car cannot be driven at 100% then it is pointless .
Pete

 

LOL, is the track really that wide ... surely not .

I do wonder why he hasn't turned that piece of cr@p boring "made too many" E-Type into something interesting like a D-Type? .
Pete

 

In 10 years do you think collectors are going to be more interested in a car that was made by Ferrari and Pininfarina or a car made by Joe Bloggs with a few Ferrari components that happens to look a bit like something else?.

No matter how good you are at making replicas you are not Pininfarina or Scagletti ...
Pete

 

Maybe because it was ordered from the factory with plenty of lightweight E-type parts and its period racing history.Plus it was never a wreck waiting for a resto or parts break up.
Boring yea it weght is about 1,000 kilos and its motor pumps out 350hp.
Boring is a GTV Alfa with about 130hp on a good day.

 

what's future collectors interest got to do with anything? These replicas are being made for their owners to use now and enjoy. Its their cash and they can do as they wish. If its pushing prices out of reach for you, well too bad, thats life. Not everyone gets a piece of the pie

 

anyone would think a Pre war W.O or a pre WW1 Silver Ghost was being broken up.
Their is nothing special about a warn out 250GTE or a 330 ,as you said its that persons car and money to do as they wish.
I'm more concerned about people who over restore these cars and this a lot of cars in this section like that.

 

re your GTV's your thoughts on this.
Years ago I had a GTV2000 ex race car,body had been hit in every panel, full of filler.Sold it to a mate whom destroyed the shell in a prang (Targa Tassie) CAMS have allowed him to re body due to its history.History includes ex Aussie dealer team cars,ATCC history and about 4 Bathurst 1,000 races including class win in 1977 driven by Derek Bell.
Question should another car be chopped to replace the wrecked shell , so as the car can gain its Historic log book and race.

 

This has been said at least 300 times in the past threads. Do you - or anybody - think that there is something unclear about it?

For me turning an old Ferrari into a boring (yawn!) replica of a GTO is like drinking one's own pee; perfectly legal and you are free to do it every morning if you wish, but it doesn't make you look very smart and after a while you realize that you really should be ashamed of yourself! Best wishes, Kare

 

we beg to differ.
i love how certain people jump up and down about the issue,yet these same people over many years when selling the same cars keep tool rolls,log books ect or deal with brokers whom sell the odd replicar.

 

thanks for turning this into a pissing competition

 

feel free to jump into the Aussie section.

 

Interesting question.
The GTV is a monocoque, so it is effectively also a re-chassis.
That said, many of these had their bodies replaced in their racing careers, so that proctice is not new and shouldn't really matter much.
It becomes a problem when an ordinary GTV (race-prepped or not) becomes a GTAm all of a sudden.

Just my opinion.

 

Its funny i'm against race cars being re shelled ect or built up around a chassis plate.

 

Motivation?

 

because profit is often the reason they are rebuilt.Its a hard question,if its had a full life and raced along that chain mmmm thats ok.I'm against cars that have been long gone being ree shelled and sold/raced.

 

As long as the history is clear then there is no problem ... race cars crash all the time and sometimes badly.

But why this shell was simply not repaired surprises me, as you are quite right there would have been more value historically in the original body shell. You can now buy just about all the external panels ... so a rebuild was possible. Another case of the owner not interested in preserving our automotive history.
Pete

 

so know issue with building a car up around a chassis plate?
The GTV 2000 went down a cliff,the shell is to far gone,twisted even the fire wall is twisted,it would never track properly again.The floor is buckled in so many areas,experts have looked at beyond repair.
Plus CAMS removed the log book "stamped not to be repaired" so no option but to re shell.Its a great little car with many Auto delta bits ie sway bars,panard rod ect.
Close ratio alloy cased gearbox? Group C specs meaning big brakes.
The car was never road registered from day one raced by Foley team including never had a heater fitted!

 

Back in 62' if a 250GTO was written off during practice a new body and chassis would be made and along with the rest of the components it would have raced ... probably with the same chassis plate to save the legal BS. That is what happens in racing, but probably should have a new chassis number, but heck we all hate lawyers and the import and export people.

Note there is no replication of an old racing which days are over race car here ... infact I believe one of the real GTOs did indeed have it's chassis replaced at some stage.

Sounds interesting ... BTW: all 105 series Alfas have alloy gearboxes, but yes you can get close ratio gears for them.

I'm a big believer in continuous history, and when it was actually racing for real (not this classic stuff now, because results no longer matter) then whatever goes to make the car more competitive. But now this car has done it's stuff it should be maintained in an original configuration the owner finds most interesting.

One day we will be sorry that all the sedan like Alfa Romeos, Bentleys, Rolls Royces, Maseratis and Ferraris have been lost forever ...
Pete

 

The Rolls Royce/Bentley body is a good topic,their is no pre 1914 Ghosts in Australia with their original body,why,they changed them and they wore out.Post Ghost many RR's still have their bodies in tack.
What annoys me is all the WO.Bentleys that have lost their sedan bodies,wonderful builders like Gurney Nutting.The owners have put on them replicar Vanden Plas tourer Le mans bodies,great pity.

 

LOL ...

Pete