Handmade Alloy 250 GTO

good bunch,its all fun/pub talk.

 

with some dirty street fighting now and again

 

the best night was when MM jumped in and was sent packing,never to return.

 

So RB, would you be in favour of taking your S3 barge and chopping the body down to make a James Young convertible of it? Why pick on GTEs etc - why not go and buy up 308GT4s and start building replica 288 GTOs? Surely that would be cheaper than building 250GTOs or SWBs and then you are only b*ggering up V8 cars, not the V12s...

 

of course not its a hand built alloy car of limited production.
Andrew do you know how they built standard H J Mulliner convertable S1,S2 and S3s bentley and Rolls Royce?
ps if my car was a James Young i would chop it up,its not its a HJ Mulliner built car.

 

So why pick on GTEs? How many RHD GTEs were built in the first place? Can't be that different to the number of S3 Continentals made. For example, there were only about 100 RHD 365 GTs built from memory. They were all special cars in their day, both your RR substitute and F Cars, so they all deserve a chance at survival. I've just overcapitalised on a 1750GTV Alfa rebuild, but then I'm a guy who buys and owns cars to keep - not like some brokers

 

Not putting them down,but they were not special when new.
I can remember as a kid around 1968 a 250 GTE for sale in Melbourne bright red with black trim,it was what 6/7 years old and a dog,worn out,rust,leather worn out for sale for about 4k.At that time their were many high milage Rolls Clouds around none were worn out like that car.

 

LOL

Wow, that's some nonsense correllation there.

Apart from that, I've seen some bad Ferrari's in my life, but man, Rollses and Bentleys can rust!

Btw, don't chop up the Bentley, I like her!

 

maybe in England,or where salt is on the roads.
In Australia the cars have stood up well,but what would I know ,I've only been around them for 50 years.

 

A question.

If one built a replica Dtype or Ctype jag using parts and a motor from a rusted out Mk2 would that be OK? because there are plenty of Mk2 bits about and I think for example the proteus cars are great.

Or how about a Kirkham Cobra, every bit as nice as an old build cobra maybe nicer built, just no historic provenance.

So If Ferrari or someone else built new 250 motors and running gear for a batch of swb's and GTO's would that be Ok. Essentialy the same car built now for fun. Did Aston not do this with the sanction2 Zagato.

Are we objecting here to the replicas themselvs or just the issue that they are using up other 250's to do so. Because I think there are really two issues, and some people who hate the idea of recreations are hiding behind the concept of ruining old cars. there are many old car snobs who for reasons of value or whatever would not accept any recreation, yet the FIA itself has seen the wisdom, and frankly racing authentic recreations preserves what is left(very little) of the period cars. Plus and this is the big issue it allows more people to enjoy something special, and allows true enthusuasts as opposed to just billioaires to enjoy these vehicles just as enthusiasts did when they were just old race cars, establishing their reputation as art because they were appreciated by people who enjoyed them for what they were not what they stood for.

Lastly automotive art is a combinbation of style and engineering, it is not the same thing as a one off painting, but in fact authenticaly recvreatable because the beauty is in the emotive experience of the using and seeing and this was for the most part something built in series, so one is just continuing the series, maybe making it a little less of a rare sight but thats it.

 

Nail nit. I have no problem with replicas at all, except when they use up real (limited production) cars in the process.

A 250GTO with a brand new chassis, engine and running gear would be fine to me ... but some just have to find an old Ferrari and start hacking away .
Pete

 

Funny how no one ever has a concern about C/D type reps.

 

Because Jaguar made squillions of XJ6 variants ... you could make a replica everyday for the rest of your life and never even approach depleting that species. ps: plus there would be mechanics all over the world applauding as each one died

But picking on Mk2's is a bit sad, surely they are rarer and more collectable.
Pete

 

The true reps use up more MK 7,8 and 9 cars or MK1's.What I ment was no one has a issue with the reps as we see with the fake Ferrari cars.

 

so its ok to make recreations/replicas based on a same make donor then - just so long as someone doesnt choose a donor car that you like

 

Well Said, What is a car called if it has a Ferrari engine a Ferrari gearbox,transaxle, brakes, suspension,instruments?
What about the modern Maserati's with Ferrari components?
MG

 

Yes I knew this would be the response . I actually would like to own an early XJ6 as a family car, but prefer a S type ...

No it is not about what I like (heck I constantly say people should use Alfa Romeo 3 litre v6 engines for these Ferrari replicas ... and I'm a Alfisti) but production volumes. Jaguar made XJ6's for many, many years ... thus a high production volume, AND you do not need the chassis of an XJ6 to make a C or D type replica, just the engine. [EDIT:]I've just checked (via the net) production figures for the XJ6 and there was not as many made as I thought, at roughly 200,000 of all series models. This of course is a heck of a lot more than the 50 x 330 Ferrari Americas made that have amazingly been poached for replicas. I guess we need to derive a production volume number that we all feel comfortable with before we can accept replicas using them. Maybe 200,000 is high enough, but happier when it is millions .[/EDIT]

The absolute best replicas to make are Cobras and GT40's because you are using boring production Ford components that are made in the millions, thus no guilt whatsoever!
Pete

 

I've got a couple of mates with Kirkhams,turn key spot onto a orginal Cobra,good way to go but some of the bits are drying up like the 427/8 motors and the small engine period blocks.

 

Surely there are other Ford motors that would do (from other years)?

Pete

 

+1. There's a difference in the issues debated here (ad nauseum) and I think this is a nice summary.

 

The FIA of course do not care about road cars, their world is racing.

To preserve old race cars by allow replicas to depleat road cars makes no sense at all, that is like saying that one of your siblings is more important than the other. Both road and race cars created the marque Ferrari.

So again if the FIA is to have this stance, the replicas should have to be 100% recreations, ie: brand new cars.
Pete

 

you said the other day about many race cars during their race life being reshelled.Just a point but very few if any cars from Australian touring car racing in the 60/70s/80s were reshelled once pranged that was it if to far gone the log book was stamped , never to race again,thus a new car was built and a new log book issued.

 

Off topic: Surely those new cars reused undamaged components from pranged car, like engine, drivetrain, etc. ... unsure what direction or point we are trying to make here?

This log book stamping would never have been allowed in New Zealand. Heck most race cars over there are somebody elses massively pranged car, rebuilt as a faster and meaner race car ... epecially back in the old days.
Pete

 

off topic, just letting you know that few if any cars were reshelled and carried title on.Of course components were used still a new car.

 

ANYONE WOULD THINK WE ARE DEBATING THE RE BODY OF A VETERAN Rolls ROYCE SILVER GHOST,A RARE BODIED W.O.BENTLEY OR A GRAND PRIX BUG.