LH lied to stewards?

HAHAHA I brought up the New England Patriots in another thread about cheating.

 

So tell me then. What should they have done?

 

I apologize if I have missed this....but what would be the benefit in allowing Trulli to pass? Why would that be a team order? Was it simply a misunderstanding of the appropriate race position during the heat of the moment (as you aptly put it)?

 

"both the driver and the Team Manager stated that no such instruction had been given. The Race Director specifically asked Hamilton whether he had consciously allowed Trulli to overtake. Hamilton insisted that he had not done so."

FURTHERMORE:

"a. Immediately after the race and before Lewis Hamilton attended the Stewards Meeting he gave an interview to the Media where he clearly stated that the Team had told him to let Trulli pass.

b. Furthermore, the radio exchanges between the driver and the Team contain two explicit orders from the Team to let the Toyota pass."




Bottom line, looks like Hamilton did "mislead" the FIA, looks like McLaren once again attempted to "mislead" the FIA. Possibly as a desparate move since they find themselves with one of the worst cars on the grid. Could this be unintentional on the part of Hamilton and McLaren? Personally I doubt that a team that is so well run could make this kind of communication mistake.

The disqualification was well deserved, I am surprised the team was not handed a huge $$$ penalty. McLaren is laying the groundwork to be considered the team most likely to cheat, Hamilton is living up to his negative reputation. The FIA and the other teams are warranted to keep their eyes on McLaren, as McLaren do not seem to grasp the concept that at some point they will be caught.

So what does this have anything to do with Mosley? Why is his name even mentioned in this thread? He did not give Hamilton the instruction to let Trulli pass. Nor did he prompt Hamilton to give wrong information to the FIA.

What does this have anything to do with a supposed FIA Ferrari favoritism? Ferrari was not even involved in this McLaren self-destruction.

Would you have such clear violation of sporting rules to be ignored? The recordings are self damning.

With the eveidence at hand, this situation is rather black and white, no pun intended. McLaren have sucked their driver into doing their dirty work. Such a shame. Hamilton would be wise to move on to a different team. This smear on F1 is not because of the FIA, it is because of the McLaren team.

Like them or not, this is reality.

 

Of course it can happen in the heat of the moment , but if they were open and honest right from the beginning nothing would have happened except that Trulli and Hamilton would have changed positions in the results.
It is not impossible that they really didn't know who said what to whom over radio, but that's not an excuse as it must not happen in a professional F1 team...

 

+1 Just try telling that to those intelligent people who are more clued up than stupid old me!

 

Ian, I can understand Hamilton making a mistake and forgetting his radio conversation with the team for the reasons you state. But I can not understand the false response from McLaren principals. Its like a 50/50 chance they thought they could get away with the deception. Really strange, but really really stupid.

 

True! The reflex of bashing FIA is not appropriate here. Mosley and his friends deserve it, but not in this case.

 

Four days?!??

They tried to pull a snap decision an hour after the race, and had to revise it four days later.

I think we can lay this one on Bernie: The race started at, what, 5pm local time? An hour after the race would have been 8pm (20:00) or so? Everybody wanted to get home to dinner and whatever. Hence the rushed (and botched) decision in the first place.

Lie to the stewards, get DQ'd: harsh, but okay. But now they're talking about "further action"? If they'd taken the time to get their documents together (and let McLaren and Hammi get their stories straight), the stewards wouldn't have come off looking so bad for getting it wrong.

Gee, maybe there's a reason to run races during the early afternoon.

If they caught the lie on the spot (say, two or three hours after the race), would the penalty have been as harsh?
Or are they burning Lewis at the stake for "making" the stewards look bad?
(As though the delays with the SC didn't do that already.)

How long before they decide that somebody didn't give them the right magic marbles (magic mushrooms?) to get the Vettel/Kubica decision right?

 

Agree, as said above, it could have been a matter of hours.

 

The whole situation is retarded.

Paint all the cars red and call it Ferrari F1.

 

OK...as long as I'm not the only one who thinks that this would have been a strange and boneheaded move on Mclaren's part.

 

Dont belittle your self, i am sure you mean well

 

I think that's part of the problem: Three or four hours after the race would have been closing in on midnight.

Nobody wanted to stick around to get it right, on the day.
(Especially while packing up for another race the following weekend.)

Twi-Night races: Fail.

 

You pose a very very good question. Personally I can not imagine that anyone at McLaren was quick-witted enough to calculate a potential disqualification of Trulli. But then.....

What supercedes the answer to your question, and is the basis for the FIA's decision, is that both Hamilton and the McLaren team gave "wrong" information to the FIA stewards at the circuit. Again, I can understand Hamilton not remembering, but really difficult to think the McLaren team would make this mistake accidently, when they themselves could have listened to their radio transmission recording just prior to the initial stewards meeting at the circuit.

I do not believe we will ever know exactly what happened. Other than the fact that the wrong information was given to the Stewards, and that information gave the appearance of impropriety.

 

Still waiting on the answer from the intelligent one. Enlighten me Mr Smart.

 

So if a decision is made shortly after the race, and information is uncovererd later that would alter the initial decision, are you suggesting that nothing should change?

The FIA's mistake, was believing the word of Hamilton and the McLaren principal BEFORE listening to the actual recoreded radio transmissions.

Possibly in an attempt to be accused of taking too much time, the FIA responded too quickly?

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Personally, I do not care if in a situation such as this, with such clear misleading information, if it were to take four weeks to have the truth.

I only feel sorry for Trulli, he deserved the feeling of being on the podium.

 

How did this specific situation have anything to do with Ferrari? Read the transcripts, it was not murder, it was suicide.

 

Well you will be waiting a long time. The problem with haters like you is that no matter what answers are said you will always argue the opposite. So whats the point. So deal with it and get over it or even carry on waiting for an answer.

 

Trulli WAS on the podium. No harm done there.

 

Ian, for McLaren to think they could get away with the misapropriated Ferrari dossier also makes no sense.

Ask yourself why it is McLaren that seems to get themselves in these situations. The FIA did not present them with that dossier, and no one came forward until they were caught.

The FIA did not have anything to do with the situation at Australia. Kinda makes me wonder about the McLaren mentality. I thought when Ron Dennis left day to day the team would become once again honorable.

 

I am a very big fan of McLaren (I know, I know) but I agree with your statement and your previous comments earlier. This certainly seems to be suicide that was simply exacerbated by a fumble on the FIA's part. I think we can all agree that such a protracted review, while important in getting the facts straight, is very distracting.