For such an intelligent person that you view youself in comparison to me you are very short on answers, and take me wrong. I never said Lewis should quit. I never said anyone else did in the past or should have done. That all aside 2 wrongs don't make a right if you want to look at other drivers over history. However I will answer your question. It is not a point of what is the norm in F1. My point is and it should be in every day life. If 2 people do wrong or (if it keeps you happy) are accused of doing wrong and it is accepted as in this case by their employer and deemed punishable they should both be punished. If whoever they answer to or employed by punishes just 1, Is that not a tad strange or unusual or unfair? I hope i cleared up your answer and you can answer mine!!
Lewis "i am not a liar or a dishonest person. I was told to with hold info by the team manager". Dave Ryan is now suspended by Team.
To fire Dave Ryan, a 30 year employee, as a scapegoat because their driver lied (and admitted to have done so) is beyond ridiculous.
Thanks Steve, that bit wasn't in the article I read. They said there that Davey was the one to give the instructions to Hamilton over radio, wich were a bit confusing but didn't include any obvious attempt to lie or cheat.
To answer your question, it a "NO" not in F1. F1 bears no resemblance to "normal life", are you the only one who does not know that?
Ah zero i'm only seeing how deep your love is for a cheat. I'm gonna leave you alone now. As they say love is blind and i can't make you see!! LOL Enjoy your f1 my friend.!!
Do you reckon that Ron Dennis will become a "larger" presence on the pit wall now? He must be furious over the way the team handled this.
HA! Yeah, I'm sure that the hot seat didn't feel too great a couple of years ago. I am very concerned that this is such a focus for MCL after only the FIRST race. With the car that they have now, they can not afford to focus on these off-the-track issues. I hope that this isn't an indication of the type of decision making that Whitmarsh's team will be making under pressure.
Having watched Lewis' driving style last year, I still think he'd personally be happier in rallye or drifting. Especially if everyone has to go with the new diffusers -- that would really take kerb-hopping out of the options. But it's not likely to happen -- there's too much F1/McLaren investment in Lewis to let him go elsewhere.
OK, so Hamilton admitted he lied. Intentionally, he did not have to do it, lie that is. But he had to admit it or he would have faced a one year ban, so no one knows if he was sincere about the eintire matter or just CYA. It wasn't the FIA, it wasn't Ferrari, it wasn't Max that made him lie. It was all Lewis not thinking on the spot and possibly listening to his Team Manager. I say possibly, because no one here knows for sure if Dave Ryan after 30 years would really give such an instruction, that's hard to believe, albeit possibly true. Personally, I believe that someone told Hamilton to mislead the Stewards. Hamilton's credibility sadly is probably shot for a long time, but hopefully a lesson is learned. Too bad some here are in such denial about Hamilton and McLaren to the point they can not believe facts. Time to move on to more positive subjects and stop this Hamilton beating.
Dishonesty and cheating are core of Mclaren. A two year ban would have been a conservative measure when McLaren had all the details of Ferrari's car. It clear they are still using Ferrari's engineering on their current cars. Strip Hamilton of his 2008 WDC and ban both driver and team for 3 years from any FIA sanctioned event from 2009 until 2012.
Yeah like that should happen... Hamilton won the WDC last year, get over it. He would've had more victories than massa if the FIA hadn't given Massa the victory at SPA. Stripping Hamilton of the WDC title and banning him and his team for 3 years would only hurt the sport, and would you please get over the cheating scandal? That data wouldn't be used on today's cars anyway.
While I can completely follow the logic of what occurred, McLaren should have taken the blame as a team and not single out Ryan. He was obviously aware of the FIA's past issues with McLaren and tried to avoid any sense of controversy (which, of course, led to him CREATING a huge controversy). I think it's obvious Hamilton had no initial intention to deceive, but ran with the team line later. I still think it's all b.s...Trulli still passed illegally, although McLaren was complicit in his passing by asking Lewis to pull over. If you listen to the radio transmission though, Trulli took the place before McLaren had fully made up its mind what to do. Restore the finishing order from last week and move on. If racing control had things covered, we would never be in this mess. Why aren't they accepting any blame?
Agreed 1000%. I think it is also worth throwing into the mix that LH IS still 24. While I realize that isn't an excuse or cop-out, it is most certainly a mitigating factor in this situation. That is a hard lesson to learn but worthwhile, especially for someone who is still relatively young.
The post to which you refer, is the highest form of hypocrisy I have ever read on here!! and just shows how much blind hate in wanting LH to get beat by any means fair or foul, because the grapes from last year are still as sour as hell!! it laughable, and pathetic at the same time. Yes your correct he is still young.
