LH lied to stewards?

Very good question, Lewis being the #1 driver, had he presented the fact that he would have lied to the stewards, I would like to think that Whitmarsh is honorable and would have congratulated him on his honesty.

By being honest, Lewis Hamilton would have been more of a team player than he is by listening to the team manager telling to withhold information. I wonder if by being honest, he would have kept his third place, because after all, the penalty had nothing to do with on track action, only the "misinformation".

But you are correct, I am looking at this idealistically, although my glasses are clear not rosey. I have no idea if Hamilton is an honorable person or not. I do not know him, never met him, and I doubt if anyone here has met him and spent more than a few minutes having their photos taken.

 

Enough already!! back track time yet again..

 

Although an ardent LH supporter, this episode is very disappointing. LH should have known better. I will however predict that he will bounce back from this and be even stronger and more calculatingly ruthless. Needless to say, the two other greats from the modern era (Shumi and Senna) were hardly lacking in questionable events throughout their careers....

 

Quite frankly I lost all respect for Hamilton the man. Not for him as a driver, but as a person.

Same thing happened with Schumacher when he pulled the Monaco Rascasse blockade and lied about it. Great driver, but not enough greatness.

Incidents like these make you wonder how low the self esteem of these drivers must be: They're world champions and have beaten everybody, yet still think they have to lie and cheat to get ahead.

 

Andreas, I personally I'am not to quick to make that judgment, yes he lied, but under instruction..?

And what reinforces this is the fact he blabbed out straight away what happened as he stepped out of the car, then after a conflab with the team, a different scenario emerges...BIG MISTAKE!

However I do see your point there is no escaping the fact he lied, but you have to put yourself in his position, either team stance or just stand and defy your employer, with the truth ..A real tricky one IMO.

In normal walks of life it goes on all the time, Army!!. but not suggesting for for 1 min that makes it ok, All I want in F1 is fairness.
I just find it hard to put the blame solely on LH.

And besides by the look of his body language after qualifying walking through his garage, I believe there is serious unrest in the team after this, he was put on the spot, he has a lot to deal with IMO mentally.

 

....geez guy's....he's 24 years old..! MS was still having ethical lapses in his mid 30's. perspective....?

 

The man is a World Champion with millions of $$$ in his bank account. Yet he can't stand up for himself? C'mon!

A guy like Montoya would have told his team to go swivel and spoken the truth to the stewards.

If you lie to the stewards, you don't belong into this sport. There are no two ways around it.

BTW: It is not just the lying, it is also the blatant attempt at cheating and unsportsmanlike behavior (just like MS in Monaco) by trying to "pass" Trulli through putting up a charade. What is wrong in this guy's head? If such a desperate maneuver was made by a backfielder who is about to loose his race seat, I could understand it somewhat. But not by the reigning champion.

 

So no credit for stating the truth in the 1st instance to the press, I would imagine MS would have been quick on the up-take, seems LH has still alot to learn then.

 

+1 and the Brit press are not taking his explanation lightly. He lied no matter who told him to. He didnt have to. Doesnt matter if it was LH, its not right and has no place in the sport. IF you are called to task by the Stewards its only the truth that should come out.

Its only racing to begin with not curing cancer. He would still be driving for Mclaren if he simply does the right thing. He had nothing to lose.

LH needs serious help in the arena of F1 politics and image management. His driving is superb. What goes on around him is almost out of control it seems.

 

And they shouldn't. The Brits have written the book on fairplay and defined sportsmen like behavior.

If it had been up to me, I would have thrown Lewis out and banned for 5 races. He got away easy. As did MS in Monaco btw.

 

I dont know what the punishment should be at all. The more I read the more serious it seems, but then what is serious anymore in F1? The team let this man(LH) down but he also didnt stand his ground as you posted. I think it would be quite interesting to see what Montoya would have done. I postulated in another thread this would be a growth year for LH and it will be.

 

Character is the measure of a man.

I have been asked by bosses/employers to lie and refused to do it. And I was not financially secure at the time. LH has no worries about money. and even if he did, that is no excuse.

So Hamilton is just another slimeball cheater on the McCheater team.

The fans deserve better...and so does the sport.

We are often tested as to what we are really made of...Loser Hamilton failed the test.

 

Sack the lying cheating bast@rd then ok!! you all happy now... I would be he deserves better.

From the man that told his boss to go swivel short bloody memories on here..

 

You may be right... the FIA seems to be taking a much harder line with this sort of thing. Not sure if that is a good or a bad thing.

Ironic that they seem as lax as ever (or more so) on the back end. Backroom deals between Bernie and Max, the president getting caught in utterly inaproppriate scandal and staying on, etc, etc. Almost hypocritical in a way.

 

"Ironic that they seem as lax as ever (or more so) on the back end. Backroom deals between Bernie and Max"


I believe we have proof that Max is not lax on the back end.

 

It remains to be seen if they will be consistent. Given their history they lack a certain, shall we say, moral authority at this point.
At least they're only running a sport and not a nation.

 

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I have a hard time blaming him very much, just like I have a hard time blaming Schumi.... here's why.

The team made an idiotic blunder when they told Hammy to slow and let Trulli by. They just gave him a spot for no reason. One of the biggest "duh!" moves of the year. So the race is done, the stewards look into why Trulli past Hamilton... it was known Hamilton was going slow, when asked why, I think he repeated a convenient excuse Ryan had given him... "just say you were looking down at your wheel screen, and when you looked up you saw Trulli zipping by". IMO it's like being pulled over by a cop... "do you know how fast you were going"... what do we all say "no officer, I was just wathing the cars ahead and I guess I must have been going faster than I realized".

Who here says "sure I do! Hell, I was just going 150 a few miles back racing that Porsche!"... nobody. I've lied to the police. Have you? Has anyone on this forum ever lied to them when you were pulled over?

Ever lied to your boss? I have. I've called in sick when I wasn't. I've given excuses why I was late to work that weren't true. I've even said I've done something that I knew I hadn't done but was supposed to. I'm sure everyone has.

I am not sure it was a big contrived lie designed to steal the points from Trulli with no regards to ethics... Trulli shouldn't have passed, it was Hamiltons spot. But he/the team made a dopey move to let him back in front, then realized it was a mistake.

If you fight a speeding ticket and show up to court, but the officer doesn't, and the judge says "well, its your word against his... and he's not here, so you are saying you weren't speeding?". Do you say "no, sorry, I was... I cannot tell a lie... I was going 85 in a 60!" or do you lie and say you didn't think you were speeding or some other BS? I'll admit I'd BS my way out of it. I think most would too.



Not to say it's OK, but I think it's part of sports. Not something I can get too worked up about.

 

LMAO... Brillant!!

 

Nail on head time God you talk alot of sense, your one of the few on here who acualy do.

 

We have to agree to disagree. It upsets me to no end and I find it absolutely untolerable and unexcusable.

I don't like McLaren and always looked at them as the dark side, so I'm not terribly surprised that they have no ethical behavior.

But I respected Hamilton, particularly since he stayed out of the whole Stepneygate deal. He had the moral ground. Until now.

PS: Whatever lies you use in your personal life has nothing to do with this sport. Remember it is a sport? A thing about fairness. Where you don't steal somebody else's blueprints and where you don't lie to the stewards.

PPS: Kraftwerk mentioned Maradonna's hand of God. Same thing (actually worse to be honest). In a way Karma paid him back. Life can be such a witch with a b.

 

For those who think lying is OK please read "People of the Lie: A study in Human Evil" by Scott M. Peck, MD.

do people lie? sure they do. It's a character disorder and can be narcissistic.

Golf is a gentleman's game. Not only is lying not tolerated, but penalizing yourself is expected and honored. Auto racing and F1 could use this attitude. It means nothing when you win by cheating. All it proves is you are the best cheater, not the best driver, athlete or sportsman.

 

And next you will want me to believe Pornomax and Bernie are as honest as the day is long.

It's rotten from the top in this case.

 

It is and they are dishonest, but they are not being the ones running the races.

Drivers should live up to a higher standard.

 

This raises one of the issues I have with professional sports. Once money enters the equation honor and fair play become compromised and isn't fair play an integral part of sport?