Unofficial - Court to rule in favor of difusers....

I'm not at home so I can't see...do these other reports corroborate what the DM is reporting. If true, it would be a welcome decision IMHO.

 

Good.

 

Oh well thats great news if true.

One down two to go but I can't see Mclaren being given a left off.

Max wants to see Ron Dennis squirm again, whom I had thought had retired..?

 

I wouldn't worry too much about McLaren. I can't imagine they'll ban them for good. A temp race ban at the most, which really doesn't matter because they have no chance in defending the title this year anyway.

There is way too much interest and money involved in running the McLarens and have Hamilton drive to ban them. And any $ fine will be picked up by Mercedes. Is all good.

With the diffusors legalized, Brawn GP and Button will win the title, which is fantastic news for the sport.

 

I hope that is the case, funny though maybe it's just me but IF all things had been equal, like no race ban and LH had kept his points, because they did the right thing...
I just would love to see him battling Button, I know it really seems it's not going to happen now, but later on Ferrari and Mclaren if left alone, may make it the best ever season...and of course not forgetting Vettel and Kubica.

 

The BrawnGP story is a real life fairy tale..

 

You're dilusional. The 2009 McLaren is a turd. With or without a diffuser.

If this had been the plot of a movie (Driven, Michel Vaillant), everybody would say it is just Hollywood. As they would have said about the 2007 season. And the 2008 season.

...and then there are people on here who think F1 is ruined.

 

Why any doubt...

The FIA will rule against McLaren...

Bernie has a boner for Ron Dennis

 

It's interesting to hear the other drivers talk about the performance of Brawn; I constantly hear "we can make up several tenths of a second, but not the full second or more that they are ahead of us." They KNOW that they will be chasing the performance of the white cars all year...pretty cool stuff, really.

 

I think I'm missing something...from my understanding (which could be wrong) Ferrari, Renault, BMW & McLaren were told they could not run this style diffuser while designing their 09 cars, but it's OK for Brawn, Toyota & Williams?
Don't get me wrong, if it's innovation and Brawn takes the title I won't complain a bit, but I don't get how you can say "Yes" to some and "No" to others.
Maybe I'm missing some of the story...can someone enlighten me or are the FIA playing with the results again?

 

says who ?

the ONLY one of those who ive heard about saying anything like that is Renault - and well I for one am sceptical

 

Did the FIA make Ron Dennis and his Mclaren band of infidels do the stupid verifiable things they have done? This stuff about Bernie and Max having it in for Ron Dennis as a reason for McLaren's issues and probable penalty is absolutely wrong.

No one forced McLaren to use the Ferrari dossier, no one forced Hamilton or Ryan to fabricate reality, no one forced Ron Dennis to tell Coultard to brake check another car, etc, it is all the ongoing self doing of these morons. I can not fathom their stupidity, but I think we can be fairly certain that it if they survive this current round of public inspection, they will become squeaky clean in the future if only for fear of losing an investor and engine supplier. Not because they suddenly grew brain cells.

Do Bernie and Max dislike Ron Dennis? For sure Max for various reasons, probably Bernie for McLaren causing embarrassment to his sport. Right now, Bernie has publically slammed Luca diMontezemelo, so I guess that Ferrari is next on Bernie's list? But I ask, is the probable fact that Ron Dennis is disliked by many people including Max and Bernie a reason to look the other way when Mclaren gets caught so obviously bending the rules of honesty?

I do not think so. I can not understand anyone that thinks this kind of behavior is OK and blown out of proportion. I don't want to see Mclaren suspended for the year, not even for one race. As Andreas stated, their car is crap this year anyway. But I think they should be told, one more incident, and they will be removed from F1 for a long time.

And please, this BS about equitable penalties is silly. I do not remember any other team being caught, and having their driver verify, that another team's stolen complete technical information was being reviewed and possibly used. I do not remember another driver with his manager lying to the stewards in the face of recorded proof they were lying. Its all so obvious, it had to be addressed by the governing body.

All of this current distressing publicity is the responsibility of McLaren and certain team members. Not Bernie, not Max. Schmucks that they likely are.

 

If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin' brother.

 

Here is the DM article, I cannot see where it says that Brawn has been declared legal.

Ferrari slam 'arrogant' Brawn as Formula 1 row drags on
By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 3:05 AM on 15th April 2009
Comments (0) Add to My Stories Ross Brawn has been described as 'a person of supreme arrogance' by Ferrari's legal representative Nigel Tozzi in the diffuser row hearing in Paris.
Ferrari, Renault, Red Bull Racing and BMW Sauber squared up against Brawn GP, Toyota and Williams in front of five International Court of Appeal judges.
Ross Brawn has been described as arrogant by Ferrari's legal representative at a hearing in Paris


Brawn GP, Toyota and Williams have designed what has become known as a 'double-decker diffuser', central to which are two apertures that help increase speed. Ferrari, Renault, Red Bull Racing and BMW Sauber insist there is nothing in the technical regulations that allow for such 'holes'.
Tozzi concluded that 'only a person of supreme arrogance would think he is right when so many of his esteemed colleagues would disagree'.




But a defiant Brawn said: 'It was an innovative approach of an existing idea, and Formula One is all about innovative design.'



Brawn claimed the appeal is 'vindictive' and 'for people too slow off the mark'. Incredibly, one of the judges - Guido de Marco - occasionally nodded off during inquests regarding what constitutes a 'hole'.
Brawn has also accused Red Bull's technical chief Adrian Newey of 'being unethical and of bringing the sport into disrepute'.
Newey earlier claimed the speed of the Brawn GP is a safety concern. The FIA and their race director Charlie Whiting were also accused of 'getting it wrong and not understanding the point' regarding whether the 'holes' are legitimate

 

I'm not so sure about that. If there's a team that can turn around their performance in a short amount of time its Mclaren. Take a look at Lewis Hamilton's results from the last two races and you'll see he doesn't depend on his car the way some other drivers do. *cough*Raikkonen*cough*

If he gets in the points next race I'm putting $50 on him to win the WDC

 

Like I said, I could be wrong, but you just verified that there was at least one interested party
Should be a simple matter of checking "IF" Renault actually consulted the FIA about the diffuser grey area.
If no one did...end of story, congratulations Brawn, Toyota and Williams
If a team did and were denied, well then the FIA just added another chapter to their book on BS

 

Your probably right, however I rate the driver. Remember I said BrawnGP would podium this year and you said a similar thing..

+1

 

Yet again I see in this thread About diffusers!! the red eyed oracle contributes nothing about the subject at hand but can't help himself with yet another essay on Mclaren lying...Welldone the constant whining is really becoming tiresome now.

 

amen to that

 

the BBC commentators just mentioned this and said that Whiting has confirmed that yes Renault did approach him, but the design they showed was not the same as this one curently under discussion