TRIBUTE TO THE CHALLENGE STRADALE

I know what you mean. but they are not coming down
There is a yellow car in Miami that apparently had a big SHUNT in the rear ... the left quarter panel is cracked .. imagine that and not a penny less than 170
They should be cheaper because of the market byut fact is they are not

 

Collectors will purchase nice clean cars with stripe for $200K+. These transactions occur privately. Why hassle over $30K if you really want the car and can afford it?

 

Maybe but I doubt it, lets see how long the very low mile red with stripe CS at FOS sits at $204.5k. In any case I think any serious collector already has one in the garage. Paging Napolis! any insights here Jim?

 

You are only in denial if you don't have one in your garage yet !

 

Ha too true!

 

Which makes me wonder, what are sellers waiting for? Do they think that the economy is going to magically rebound and if they just wait buyers will suddenly emerge at 170-180k again even though the cars get older by the day. Or is it a case of if we all pretend maybe it will be so.

 

I see you're looking for a CS. Would you be disappointed when the car you really want sells for what it's listed for? When people feel better about the economy and their situation, these cars will be gone.

But, this talk should be a different thread (which I think there are many). This money talk kind of ruins this TRIBUTE TO CHALLENGE STRADALE.

 

I have to agree, even though one can easily get sucked into the $$ angle. It's like putting the Madonna on stage for viewer appreciation only to have a clutch of money traders in the audience haggling and barking over its possible monetary worth.

 

WTF this thread is about the CS not about how much its selling for who gives a **** about that.
I love those "in general the CS owner is in denial" comments.
Whether the market gets better today, tomorrow next week, next month next decade the fact is it will get better and then the only stradale you will find will be in a photograph.
give us a break and let all of us praise the CS it deserves it in a general sort of way.

 

Nice ones are actually trading now in the high 150's to very low 160's. Set the buy it now at 158,750 and its on its way...

 

No, actually much more than that

 

+1

 

Thanks for the great posting that help me to understand more about CS ... no brainer , if I can afford keep one more Fcar, CS for sure.

 

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+ quite a few other parts including;

Rear engine lid (had revised more protruding 'nulder' for downforce)
Uprated clutch (to handle Launch Control)
Uprated driveshafts (to handle Launch Control)
Engine bay to passenger compartment glass - thinner, lighter.
Due to fitment of CF engine panels and CS sports exhaust, they also a pair of fitted heat shields
Free flowing air box resonator (less airflow restriction)
The MAF (Mass Airflow Sensors) a pair of bigger ones where used to stop air restrictions at the very top end of the revs (for squeezing the last few bhp out).
Dashboard instrumentation facia clocks revised, rev counter in bright yellow
Dashboard instrumentation facia cover in carbon
Dashboard heater controls facia cover in carbon (smaller, deleing stereo space)
Dashboard lower (revised, deleting glovebox and stereo box, less weight)
New s/w for dash clocks (including CCM brakes wear algorithm and race mode graphics among other updates)
New s/w for suspension tcu
New s/w for abs controller (in addition to the already noted ignition ecu's (pair) and transmission ecu)
New s/w settings for throttle maps (much more sensitve)
New s/w settings for valve opening (opens later than on a Modena)

*Optional deletion of the radio (weight saving)
*Optional selection of Carbon seat size (small, medium or large)
*Optional choice of racing seat belt harnesses (not all markets)
*Optional lightweight CS specific Aluminum roll over bar (Modena one was made from Steel)

On the blueprinting of the engine, all 360's engines where blueprinted but to within 2% tolerances when bench tested. On the CS that tolerance was down to just 0.5% so the selection of pistons, conrods, etc. was obviously more precise hence CS's should be virtually idential in power between one and another (from factory), this will change somewhat as they get miles under their wheels and depending on how well looked after they are.

Sure there are more things too that I cannot recall at this precise moment!

 

Very true. Although it never provides a relaxing drive, it is always a pure joy, and a complete rush. One thing I have come to understand: Ferraris make people smile, and the beauty, the sound, the engine, the performance, the driving experience of the Challenge Stradale is PURE Ferrari. I am sure Enzo would be extremely proud of the CS had he been alive to witness its development and impact. The heritage and philosophy behind the car and the company is immediately apparent upon initial "introduction."

I love it.

All this discussion about "today's market" having owners in denial is unnecessary BS here. I, for one, have difficulty imagining a state of mind where I would want to sell it. Thanks for this thread, raw tubor, and thank you Bud Root.

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Is it true that the CS was built from unsold 360 Challenge cars and/or on that same assembly line? I heard that in a TV video on the Challenge Stradale, possibly on a Speed channel or a History channel in the US.

 

No, this is a myth. There are virtually no carry over parts from the Challenge cars used on the Stradale.

Definately lessons learned from Challenge racing where applied to the Stradale's development programme but not the actual parts themselves. This was deemed necessary because on Challenge cars the parts get changed every season (and sometimes every race) whereas on a road car the parts need to last much much longer than that.

 

Most definately made on the same production line though.

In case you missed this article, worth a read...

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Creating the Challenge Stradale
Interview with project leader engineer Patrizio Moruzzi

The Challenge Stradale was designed with a single goal in mind: to improve the performance of the two Ferrari 8-cylinders currently in production (the 360 Modena and the 360 Spider, already hugely successful) by pushing the racing attributes of a road car with well-defined characteristics to new extremes. The transfer of specific solutions developed for the latest generation of Ferrari racing cars, the 360 Challenge and the 360 GT, is very evident, as indeed is the avant-garde technology adopted from the Enzo Ferrari (the layout of the exhaust, for example) and Formula 1 (the electro-hydraulic gearbox and the use of carbon for the first time on an 8-cylinder sports car).

We talked to Engineer Patrizio Moruzzi, Project leader for the 8-cylinder sports car team, about the revolutionary technical aspects of this latest edition to the Ferrari family. Originally from Bologna, Moruzzi has been in charge of the “131 Challenge Strada” project for the last few months. The head of a core team of 12 people, the mechanical engineer concentrated on telling us about the important synergies which saw what is basically a thoroughbred racing car type tested for road use, by focusing on four key areas: aerodynamics, car weight reduction, engine/gearbox, and chassis components.

”The aerodynamic concept of the Challenge Stradale stemmed from the target we set ourselves during the early stages when we were still defining the brief,” explained Moruzzi. “We wanted to increase the vertical load by 50% to obtain better handling on bends compared to the 360 Modena. The tests on the first model in the wind tunnel lead us to revise four specific and quite definitive areas: the front bumper which we extended towards the rear, the sills which were streamlined to increase downforce, the addition of a small nolder at the rear which has the same effect as a spoiler, and the inclusion of a double-bottomed exhaust and longitudinal fins to channel the airflow towards the rear for improved stability.”

The Challenge Stradale’s good looks, although impressive, seem to have come about by chance as Moruzzi explains: “Obviously some of the specific final touches allowed us to bring what is very much a racer much closer to the classic Ferrari GT, but that didn’t change our main ambition which was to improve performance so that we would be able to offer our clients a sportier alternative to the already successful 360 Modena’.

The version unveiled at the Geneva Motor Show 2003 has a F1-style paddle shift and offers two gear-change modes controlled by new generation software to cut gear change times even further: “Sport’, fast but smooth, and “Race’, even quicker and more aggressive. With the latter, by disengaging the ASR traction control, it is possible to engage launch control, a system adapted from Formula 1 and already used on the 12-cylinder 575M Maranello.

Many cutting-edge ideas were applied to the 3.6 litre 90° V8 engine and the longitudinal configuration of the gearbox, especially in terms of the design of the intake and exhaust systems. Moruzzi added that “The 110 kg drop in weight to 1180 kg was, however, mostly (94 kg) due to the work done on the chassis, by applying two rules: the elimination of all components unnecessary for a “racing style” coupé and the use of lightweight materials to maintain or even improve the performance of the car.”

In the suspension, the springs are 20% more stiffer than those of the 360 Modena too. Titanium, a material previously used only for engine piston rods, was also adopted for parts of the suspension, including the wheel bolts and damper springs. Another important innovation was the brakes made of CCM (Carbon Composite Material), making them 16% lighter and capable of guaranteeing much shorter braking distances.

source: www.owners.ferrari.com

 

Help me out - apart from the stripes and the wheels, why does a 360 CS look better than a 360 Modena (which has awkward looking wheels)? Without the stripes, I usually end up confusing them when they're lined up at shows.

Did they change body panels?

 

Front bumper , side skirts , bigger wheels give it a much more aggressive and lower stance.

 

Pls re-read the thread about the changes.

Other than the front lights/fenders and rear qtrs there where as many visual changes as between the 360 and 430! Front and rear bumpers, side skirts, rear deck lid, rear grille, rear diffusers, mirrors, even the filler flap - all different. Brakes, wheels, lug nuts, the lot.

 

Your more than welcome

 

Well they certainly increased the size of the rear spoiler, which improves the rear profile. I'm suprised someone does not sell a CS rear hatch for the two 360 modena models.