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SHOULD FERRARI CONSIDER WRITING OFF 2009, CONCENTRATE ON 2010? ***SPOILER***

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  1. RP

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    Ferrari boss Stefano Domenicali says the Italian team may switch its development focus onto the 2010 car as early as next month if its fortunes do not improve dramatically in the next few races.

    The Maranello-based outfit has failed to score a point in the first three races of the season, its worst start to a campaign since 1981, and is now facing a very tough challenge to get itself back in the championship hunt.

    Speaking at Shanghai on Sunday night, Domenicali refused to rule out the possibility of the team abandoning the development push on its 2009 car if matters do not improve when a double-decker diffuser version of its F60 is raced for the first time at the Spanish Grand Prix.

    When asked at what point the team would decide whether to start concentrating on the 2010 car, Domenicali said: "I think for sure we will see after Spain where we are. In that period we will see really what can be the situation - so when we come back to Europe basically."

    Although much has been made of the advantage that the 'diffuser gang' of Brawn GP, Williams and Toyota have enjoyed in the first races of the season, Domenicali does not believe that copying their rear-end concept will be the whole answer to Ferrari's woes.

    "No. The situation is much more complicated than that," he said. "That device will give you a benefit. But it would be wrong to believe that it is the only key. We have seen, for example, the Red Bull car has done a really great job.

    "They had more time, they switched their project much earlier than us and that is the reality and we need to consider it. The other thing that we have to understand well is that today in certain conditions, look at the first part of the race, our car was not too bad at all. So we need to understand a lot of things."

    Domenicali added that he would not be forced into a panic about Ferrari's situation, or revise the team's targets for the season.

    "I think we have to wait," he said. "We need to stay cool. It is not easy, I know, but we need to stay cool because there are too many things that can change very quickly. The priority number one is to move from zero points."
     
  2. RP

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    Q. Last year in wet conditions the Ferrari struggled to get heat into its tyres. Are we seeing a similar characteristic now?

    Stefano Domenicali: It is very unfortunate because if you look at the first part of the race, Felipe did a fantastic job. He was really much faster than Sebastian Vettel, who was with low fuel and we had more fuel. So, honestly, in that condition it was perfect. Then unfortunately we had this problem on electronic control which made the car stop, as it was a big shame.

    I am pretty sure that with that strategy, and the fact that he did fantastic laps, we would have been on the podium - no doubt.

    Q. How frustrating is it to have a start to the season like that?

    SD: For sure it is very tricky. It is not easy. That is, I would say, normal to say. The only way we can get out from the moment is to work hard and to try to stay cool. We know we have a lot of things to do, and there is no reason to get into a panic mode because that would be worse. I know we can count on the fact that everyone in the team together with Felipe and Kimi – we need to react and work because that is the only way we can get out from this moment.

    The other thing that we have to say is that for sure in the first three races, there are so many elements that came out and changed the situation radically that we need to keep on pushing because when we will have the new package in Spain, I think there we will see where we are. But it is too early to draw easy conclusions now after three races.

    Q. After this start, do you have to change your targets for the season now or wait for a new package?

    SD: I think we have to wait. We need to stay cool. It is not easy, I know, but we need to stay cool because there are too many things that can change very quickly. The priority number one is to move from zero points.

    Q. Michael Schumacher said on German television that Ferrari must decide soon whether to keep pushing hard this season with no guarantee of success, or give up on it and focus attention to winning the 2010 championship. When do you see that point arriving?

    SD: I think for sure we will see after Spain where we are. In that period we will see really what can be the situation – so when we come back to Europe basically.

    Q. Do you believe that simply adding a double-decker diffuser will transform your season?

    SD: No. The situation is much more complicated than that. That device will give you a benefit. But it would be wrong to believe that it is the only key. We have seen, for example, the Red Bull car has done a really great job. They had more time, they switched their project much earlier than us and that is the reality and we need to consider it. The other thing that we have to understand well is that today in certain conditions, look at the first part of the race, our car was not too bad at all. So we need to understand a lot of things.

    Q. You tested over the winter in Bahrain. Could that be an advantage for you?

    SD: Difficult to say. For sure for us it will be important because at least we know something more about the track in terms of set-up. But we cannot expect to have anything new this week. We need to solve the issue with the KERS, but we will see there. There shouldn't be any rain there. Once again, certain cars may be very strong, so we will see where we are.

    Q. Your drivers have said they would like KERS back for Bahrain if possible. Is it going to happen?

    SD: This is what we would like to do.

    Q. Can you get the problem sorted?

    SD: That is the thing we have to do, and that is our target for sure.
     
  3. Remy Zero

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    I still think it's too early to make that call.
     
  4. RP

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    Hola Brian!

    I believe that after the results of Spain, with the revised "diffusered" F60, there is no choice but to make the call.
     
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    This is exactly what they should be doing.

    Bravo!

    Imagine Ferrari developing KERS all through this season. They will be in perfect shape for when the system becomes mandatory and will have worked out all the kinks.
     
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    But in 2010, they'll require cars to run every fourth lap in 2nd gear ---- to "promote passing". :rolleyes:
     
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    Meanwhile, we watch Vettel win his first WDC before he changes to Ferrari in 2010.
     
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    Yes, and they'll develop it by running it in their cars during this season - as will all of the other teams, most probably.
     
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    I like the point you made in another thread, there is little difference in the rules (at this time anyway) between 2009 and 2010. So the current car is certainly the best testbed for 2010. May be this is the time to experiment with radical changes for 2010 since there may be nothing to lose. The only issue will be if one of the drivers is not to return in 2010, what is his motivation to help with future development?
     
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    This is probably the most significant comment in this interview. The diffusers are not the cure-all.


    Q. Do you believe that simply adding a double-decker diffuser will transform your season?

    SD: No. The situation is much more complicated than that. That device will give you a benefit. But it would be wrong to believe that it is the only key. We have seen, for example, the Red Bull car has done a really great job. They had more time, they switched their project much earlier than us and that is the reality and we need to consider it. The other thing that we have to understand well is that today in certain conditions, look at the first part of the race, our car was not too bad at all. So we need to understand a lot of things.
     
  11. Remy Zero

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    Hello Ron :)

    Frankly speaking, here's how i look at it. Bahrain should be the ultimatum. Ferrari were quick there during pre season tests, and it's not gonna be a wet race, so there shoudn't be a pitwall blunder. Massa is a great winner there too, which adds to the fact that the next race is extremely important.

    By the time the European season starts, i think it's just crucial to decide whether or not to focus on next season the race after Spain. In the past, Ferrari has always shown capability of bouncing back. PLus, the season is still long. Other teams are bound to make mistakes/bad luck.

    :)
     
  12. AlexO91

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    Intresting..... Everything will become clear soon.
     
  13. Ferrari 360 CS

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    1980 all over again.....
     
  14. tifosi12

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    Fine by me.

    A chance to drop some of the fair weather fans.
     
  15. kraftwerk

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    You can't polish a turd, so the saying goes, IMO this is why Ferrari protested the diffuser so vigorously, to help there lost cause.

    I have to add I don't like the thought of Ferrari giving up on this years car, but as Brawn proved this can be fruitfull.
    However you need a Brawn to begin with.

    IMO they need to continue to push with the hope they discover a way forward, not whine about it.
     
  16. Daytonafan

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    Part of the problem is there has not yet been an incident free flag to flag dry race this season. It's difficult to see where Ferrari actually is relative the the opposition (although the same could be said for everyone else). There have been times where Ferrari have looked much closer to the front (in Australia both cars ran in the top five before hitting problems).
     
  17. Ferrari 360 CS

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    Also an interesting point. How we got the car this wrong though is perplexing but then again look at Mac.....
     
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    Look at the qualifying positions and you have the answer. Midfield.
     
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    Thread title changed to avoid the obvious race result give away.

    Careful there Ron.
     
  20. DeSoto

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    5 "for sures".
     
  21. bigodino

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    I think it's much too early to give up on this season. Look at what Alonso said and did in China. The whole field is so close together that every improvement can move the car up the field considerably.

    It's also clear that Ferrari isn't the only team strugling. They should take advantage of that. And the position of Brawn isn't so strong as some were quick to conclude. The six double diffuser cars aren't leaving the pack behind them as some teams feared so there is hope to gain on them and beat them.

    The resourses that teams like Ferrari have should be able to bring them back on top again. First they should solve their reliability problems and work from there. The fruit of that may be too late for this season but let's wait and see.
     
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    I think Ron is right... the rules aren't so much different for 2010, so I think Ferrari would be best served by doing things to try to make the car faster, but with the focus being on R&D and testing for the '10 car. They aren't going to be challenging for WDC or WCC in '09, so may as well put their resources where it will count.

    I don't think they should forget about trying to perform in '09, I just think that they should adjust their decision making to reflect a '10 effort. An example would be... rather than not running KERS to try to be a bit faster, instead run KERS at every track to get the most reliable KERS system on the grid, with the largest dataset.

    They should also consider dropping both drivers. Kimi may retire anyway, and I think Vettel is probably tied up for a few years. The best thing Ferrari could do would be to sign Alonso to a 3-year deal and maybe keep Massa, but make sure he realizes that he is the designated #2 driver. He doesn't have 1/10th Alonsos talent and he would need to realize he is not a WDC caliber driver, and his job would be to support Alonso. If he doesn't like that, release him and let him go drive for Force India or something. If Kimi doesn't want to retire, they could probably work out a deal where he goes to Renault in a trade for Alonso. Then Flavio can cut Piquet and let him go race go-karts or something, and they can mount a somewhat serious WCC title bid.
     
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    +1

    Hehe. :)

    But don't forget, that he is so passionate, always willing to go the extra mile for the team, bakes chocolate cookies for his grand mother, has been touched by HIM and is simply the nicest guy around. That counts for something, right? Right? Bueller? Ron?
    ;)
     
  24. SRT Mike

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    Ron is in a tough spot... he frequently lets us know that our opinions are meaningless and the only ones that count are the 'experts' who are tied into F1.

    Only problem with that is most of those experts don't rate Massa very well, certainly nowhere near how they rate Alonso or Hamilton. So it's a difficult line to toe, I think... sort of like justifying how Noah's ark is a factually true story... it requires various bizarre and tenuous reasoning ;)

    It's no secret that I dislike Alonso. I think he's a whiny little monkey-faced baby and I revel in his failure. But I can admit he's a great driver, certainly miles ahead of Massa and (much as I hate to admit it), Kimi at the moment. He's also a good development driver. Kimi isn't, I don't think. People like to say Massa is somehow a good development driver. Well how come the car sucks so bad this year? Alonso is widely considered a great R&D driver, and that is what Ferrari needs right now in a big way.

    Once the last few holdouts come to terms with the fact that Massa is not a WDC-caliber driver, and assuming he admits it to himself (I know he already knows this, which is why he was crying when he lost his one shot at a WDC), but once it's out in the open, they can make him Alonso's support driver and maybe actually mount a WDC/WCC title bid going forward.

    And like I said, if Massa doesn't like it, let him go to Force India. None of the high level teams would want him, that's for sure.
     
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    He isn't.
     

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