Why so much Cali hate?

You like the car and I agree with you. I don't think the typical footballer will drive it. Too small they won't fit. Rapper Nope, just like Stock Brokers they are all about being seen then driving a car. For this reason They all drive Lambo's. They don't give a crap about performance and driveability.

Poseur's Hell know. Poseur's are the guys driving the 20k 328's, 308's and Mondials with a Ferrari badge. Why not drive one of a number of the Japanese made cars for the same dollar amount with MUCH better performance for the same money?

The California simply has filled a void and gone after market share where they have NEVER had a chance. Again as I've stated before PORSCHE IS RICH. They dominate and Ferrari wants some of it for themselves.

Do all you haters Hate money as well.

Sell out? Are you kidding me. Like everyone on this board Ferrari is trying to make money. They've tapped the high end market. Why do you think they take so long to replace Enzo's and F40's. Those guys are content. They need to knock on the door of Bentley and Aston Martin and playball with them.

Ferrari has billions invested in a little town called Maranello. daviddavid do you truly believe Ferrari should close down shop and give up to become a Legend like Bugatti. Give me a break. Your reaching. Bugatti would still be selling cars today in large quantities if they figured out years ago how to keep it rolling. If they close shop are all the Ferrari's on the road instantly Picasso's. Hell no. You are so twisted.

So daviddavid in your business if a new guy comes in do you say "well we had a good run" or do you change your ways. Ferrari just like you has to stay with the times. They aren't the 1 car a day company they were in the 50's. They produce probably 20-25. That's really not much in this world of billions of people.

"overt wealth statement and lack of creativity" What the hell else is there to drive in this class? Ya I guess we should all drive around in BMW Z4's because we don't want to have a Hardtop/Convertible that actually has performance and style from a car maker most of us love. Better yet Ferrari should produce a car for 90k. That would be a sellout.

I buy cars for one reason. Performance. None of the S$$t produced these days for 50-100k comes close. I buy them to drive. Corvette is the only 100k car worth while. Do I go on Corvette boards and bash it because it doesn't strike my fancy. No I don't. I'd be an idiot. The new ZR1 out performs almost EVERY Ferrari made. Oh ya it's cheaper. Do I hate it because of this no way. I respect it. As well as anyone on this board should respect this Ferrari because I'd say 1 in 10 Ferrari's on this board IT WILL out perform.

Ferrari Chat is for Ferrari enthusiests. If you guys hate some of these cars so much then why not go to a different board. It appears most of you hate the last 3 or 4 cars they've made anyway. I guess everyone should lust after the TR's and 355's of yesteryear. I've said it already. If you drive the new ones. You'll love the new ones. Most of you never will and you should probably hold the hating for something more constructive like the guy doing your wives.....

 

WOW !

Got you a little riled up there ! A little insecure about your opinions?

 

Dude.......what is it with you?? I've read some of your other post in other threads and it seems all you do is "rile" things up. Is that your intention of being on Fchat?? Cause man.......its getting tiresome. 99.9% of the time I could care less.....my ignore button works really well. I don't know you.......and with your negative attitudes in quite a few topics.........don't really care to. But right now you're barking up the wrong tree. Plus your profile is not complete. Fill it out and let us know who you are. Cause right now all it seems like is that you're someone who hates Ferraris........any Ferraris.........because you cannot have one for whatever reason. Not cool "DD".


"I said nothing based on if you have nothing nice to say say nothing................. "

This is actually your best post to date. Follow it.

 

Some of you guys have zero class. A guy buys a car and you ridicule him.

You don't like the car... don't buy it. But if someone else does, I don't see the point in telling him he's an idiot for doing so. Is that so hard to understand [you know who 1] and [you know who 2]?

 

Got you a little riled up there ! A little insecure about your opinions?[/QUOTE]

Riled? Nope.

The opinions of too many on this board are simply based on pure old fashion nothing. If it's a looks competition and you don't like it then don't buy it. EG: The guys on this board and many others that constantly spew about how cars handle and perform because they read it in a book. These guys need to sit back and listen to the people actually driving the cars. You've stated your distaste for the car and you've made your point. I'll even respect your taste. What do you drive? I'll tell you how I feel.

I'm sure when your Ferrari dealer called you in the last few months to order the Cali you said "nope its fugly and I hate it" Or did you politely decline? Which one? That's my question.

It's a Ferrari with Specs that kick the sh*t out of almost every other one. I could understand you disliking it for performance because it's better than your Ferrari. Or is it?

I'm SO secure about my decisions I piss most people off. I'm also secure in every vehicle I drive and own. I can't wait to add this car to my collection. It's about everything my other Ferrari's aren't with the ability for good and bad weather and I'll never hesitate to park it anywhere.

Definately Insecurity my friend is not something I have or know anything about.

 

What is performance? Numbers in a magazine or the ability to get the hair to stand up on the back of your head if you push the loud pedal to the floor?

 

that "judge4re" is a definite over site on my part. i'm not a numbers guy entirely. for this oversite I do apologize. no japanese car has ever made my hair stand. unfortunately still these guys "hate" this car for no tangent reason.

 

Hold the presses. I've just come back from a test drive. The Scottsdale car is silver (Argento Nurburgring) with optional 20 wheels and without magnaride suspension.

WOW! This transmission is simply superb. I love the 599 tranny but this feels otherworldly. In auto mode it is as good as the slushbox in a Benz or BMW. When you run in paddle shift mode and get on it, the speed of the upshifts is literally incomprehensible. You hear the engine note change but the car just keeps on accelerating. If the 599 is a 100 ms shift this cannot be more than 20ms, or literally faster than the human brain can process. The engine note is wonderful and the car is rock solid with roof down. We drove over some deep ruts and there was no sense of cowl twist or shake. With the top up the car is a solid coupe. What a great concept well executed!

I understand that those who like raw, difficult cars will not be enthralled by this car. It is simply too competent in that regard. But thankfully there are many Challenge Stradales out there, and for something faster but softer, Scuds are all over the used car market for around $50 K more than a loaded Cali. The Cali is a wonderful GT. The interior is really well done and the Nav system is as up to date as any out there.

If you are a driver who would otherwise consider an SL600/SL63, or an AM convertible in 8 or 12 cylinders, or even a high end Porsche, the Cali is all they are but much better, rarer and way more fun.

If you are a nostalgia buff, go and buy a Ferrari from the 60's and enjoy the aura and anxiety that comes with owning those old cars. If you are just one of those unhappy whiners, go to your MD and get some Prozac.

 

Sorry, Dean-no, but the Ferrari Cali 2+ Maybe-Owners' Sycophants thread is decidedly elsewhere.

Surely if all the man wanted was lockstep adoration and lemming-like obeisance he could have posted in any number of extant Kali Kool-Aid besotted threads, rather than "Why so much Cali hate?"?

...I think it looks like a So-Kal tuner S2000 with a bad body-kit and, since it was thrust before me to see, I have no compunction for saying so.

 

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Substantive reasons to hate the Cali 2+:

1) It's a badge engineered FIAT marketed as a Ferrari to 'leverage the brand' and fleece the pretentious.

2) Despite being aluminum it weighs about a "Daytona".

3) It has a BMW-spec'd ZF 'don't know how to drive - no worries' transmission, rather than a Ferrari gearbox.

4) That ridiculous rear-end*.

5) *That ridiculous roof.

6) The rest of the Anime-Power Rangers-Transformers styling idiom.

 

Wrong.

 

haha yeah its still not the pretiest car but i think the rear end looks alot better like that then the original

 

I guess you can't show any class.

 

Very sad.

Thankfully those that have actually seen it "in the metal" (me included), and those that have driven it, have taken some time out of their day to post their reviews on this site. I am not at all surprised that all the reviews from posters that I have read are positive reviews. In my own little opinion, those are the posts that add substance to this site.

 

A little off the main track here, but I have to take strong issue with the comment by h20skier. I'm referring to his comment, "Poseur's are the guys driving the 20k 328's, 308's and Mondials with a Ferrari badge. Why not drive one of a number of the Japanese made cars for the same dollar amount with MUCH better performance for the same money?". I suppose by his definition I am a poseur, for I drive and do all the maintenance on a Mondial t. Yes, it is true that for less money I could have gotten a much faster car, but 0-60 is not why I bought my car. It is the feel of the car, the direct steering, the low end torque and perfectly responsive brakes, the sound and "song" of the flat plane crank engine, the precise and predictable handling, and so forth. Then, after I bought it, I discovered one of my favorite things that I had not anticipated at all: the ease of servicing the car. Short of a belt change, (and even that is eminently doable with a lift), I have discovered that my Mondial is the easiest to work on car I've ever put wrench to. Not just easy to work on, but everything is designed and assembled with an emphasis on straightforward and uncompromised design and fabrication that continues to impress me as I discover more and more of its details. Sure these qualities are almost entirely subjective, but that's OK, the car doesn't have to delight everyone, just me. It does!

So, when you see me driving my baby, with my finger and my thumb in the shape of a 'P' on my forehead, don't despise or feel sorry for me: check my grin.

All that said, I am not really trying to pick on h2oskier; I get what he is saying, I'm just saying that not everyone who gets an "inexpensive" Ferrari is doing it to be seen.

 

Certainly not by your peculiar definition.

 

Are the exhaust tips still non functional. I'm just asking.

I could take the imposter grills on the 348, 355, and later TRs as they were all attractive models to a degree - especially the 355, but for near $200,000 I think they should give you real tailpipes or eliminate the add ons. Just another opinion that's all.

Reminds me Mustangs with the fake air vents on the sides.

Of course I apologize if they are real now, and I truly hope they are as it would look very funny to see exhaust comming out of the bottom or whatever when the car is cold.

 

point taken until i drive one. my intent of the comment truly was not a bash. my reference was only about faster performance.

too many people dislike things because they can't have them and that bothers me. i also don't want to work on my cars and never will. i like the newer cars for the warranties. they give me a piece of mind more than anything.

i don't care either way if others like or dislike my cars so all can have opinions and say what they'd like. no skin off of me.

I'm curious though of all the Haters if they like the SuperAmerica or 550 Barchata. This car except the smaller engine is just a more functional compulation of those put together. 550B I love and always have but will never own something I can't put the top up on. The SuperAmerica while almost identical to my 575m of years passed gives you the removable roof but never does it feel like a true full top down experience.

These cars are also very similar in design.

 

Thats only done on photoshop, I just put the scuderia rear on the california

 

Nice Photoshop. I'm still not a CA fan, but you have a good eye.

By definition, you should bash everything that came before 2005 (or pick a year). The newer cars are faster.

Too many people defend bad design because it is expensive. Cars depreciate, and new Ferraris depreciate like a dropped stone. 308s used to sell for $150K+, and they weren't any faster back then. I couldn't afford one when they were new (being in high school at the time), but I loved them even when my bank balance was three figures.

The California will be cheaper than the 308 within a decade or so, and I'm pretty sure I'll never buy one. But, for those that do, I hope they enjoy the ride.

Regarding warranties: That's right, for the $100,000 or so in depreciation you absorb during the warranty period, Ferrari will repair or replace whatever breaks during the first few years while the car racks up maybe 10,000 miles. Peace of mind, for Ferrari's accountants.

 

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you come across a bit arrogant and juveline here.. I can tell you that many people buy 308's and mondails because they want them.. not because of money issues.. it isnt all about performance.. and I am a ferrari lover and I reserve the right to not like the way the california looks.. because I don't.. IMO the worst looking ferrari I think I have ever seen.. probably drives awesome and is fast though.. good.. so is a vette..

so why get a california..

the people posting here are not "haters" because they cannot afford a california.. that isn't the issue here.. It is very hard to justify spending top dollar on a car that is absolutely destined to be one of the hardest depreciating ferrari's in all history.. for 200k I'll just get a murceilago convertible lightly used or something that makes you feel like it's worth the money you are spending.. which is of course relative.. I am sure many people will love the califonia.. I do not know who they are.. I suppoe you though.. because as you keep repeating on here you are not a "hater" and you have the "funds" to buy all the "new" ferrari's.... umm good for you I guess? but what does that have to do with the fact that the general consensus on here is that the california is an ugly mess?

 

Hey, Bullfighter, I was in SIXTH GRADE the first time I saw a 308. I thought then, and still think, that it's simply the most beautiful car I've ever seen.

The 360 is so much faster that it's not even a contest, but the rounded shape just doesn't do it for me. The 430 is prettier, but I'm a bit turned off by all the electronic gizmos and geegaws.

SO, even if the 308 were MORE expensive than either of these cars, I'd still have that.

I love the driving experience of my 308: The handling, the driver engagement, the only-what's-absolutely-necessary aesthetic. It seems that some on this board want the most expensive and/or the most powerful, and that's fine. It's also okay if some people prefer the 360 or 430 based just on their looks.

My criteria and taste are different from other's. I don't think I'd want a California even if they cost 1/10 as much as they do, but I haven't driven one. Maybe my opinion will change when I do, but somehow I doubt it.

I'm just saying that nobody has the right to disparage another driver for what he personally prefers. I didn't choose the 308 to "be seen," or just because it has a Prancing Horse badge. I simply love just about everything about my 308.

 

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