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  1. alan

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    #6076 alan, Apr 26, 2009
    Well i think i spotted 3 but im probably way off, first its a Roadster not a spider, second there is no mention of you whatsoever Joe, not crawling but didnt you broker the deal?? whilst the article states the car was found...
    and third it says the original paint came from Massachusetts! now the last time i looked the Lambo factory and Bertone were in Italy. :eek: Unless of course thats not one of the erroneous statements! Please enlighten us as to any others, im sure there are more.
     
  2. joe sackey

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    #6077 joe sackey, Apr 26, 2009
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    I think errata on the Classic Lamborghini subject is especially common in magazine articles, but being that the piece is about one of Lamborghini's most renowned cars, there is little excuse.

    This car has a special place in my affections as one of the iconic Miuras I have helped bring back into the public eye by negotiating its return to the USA, but as you know its impossible to be involved every time an owner has a change of plans. My not being mentioned is simply an omission, not an error.

    The errors I noted are:

    - The car is the 'Miura Roadster' (as clearly stated on its rear shown on page 61), yet shockingly the car is continuously referred to in its present state in the article as the "Spider"!

    - "The coach-builder made body-shells for the Miura". Thats inaccurate and a disservice to Bertone who actually manufactured complete Miuras, everything completed except drive-train & suspension/wheels installation.

    - The article suggests that the typewritten history of the ZN75 produced by the car's owner Shrade Radtke in 1978 and sent to Rob Box has just been "unearthed'. Thats cobblers because Radtke circulated that document amongst Lamborghini Clubs worldwide and Jim Kamiski (President of the oldest club extant) gave it to yours truly clear 10 years ago. I certainly didn't keep it to myself and at least excerpts of it have been posted on the Lamborghini Registry since May 2001. Clearly the connections of this article didn't strain themselves with too much research...

    - "... the changes made by the Zinc" people were totally cosmetic". Totally wrong. Even the running 40IDL Weber carburettors were zinc, not to mention a host of functional components. However, elsewhere in the article this point of view is contradicted with a point of view that is more accurate.

    - "ILZRO had the car repainted in metallic green, with green suede interior". Not an error, but an incomplete description. It did have some green suede, but that was just for the dash and seat bolsters. The seat inserts, center console and most of the door panels were light brown leather.

    - The article describes the car as going from its sojourn in Japan to its temporary home in France. This is wrong. From Japan, it came to the USA and did the rounds in the trade for a few years, before heading off to Europe.

    As for the bit that states that at Pebble Beach Valentino Balboni "literally had tears in his eyes", thats not a mistake. Its just very creative :)
     
  3. alan

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    #6078 alan, Apr 27, 2009
    What about the bit that says the original paint was sourced in Massachusetts, that cant be right surely?
     
  4. joe sackey

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    #6079 joe sackey, Apr 27, 2009
    In fairness, don't think he meant to say (in error) that the paint originally came from Massachusetts but rather that they used a firm there to re-manufacture & match the original paint...
     
  5. garybobileff

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    #6080 garybobileff, Apr 27, 2009
    My name is Gary Bobileff. My company is Bobileff Motorcar Company, located in San Diego, Ca. and I have had the great honor and pleasure of restoring the Miura Roadster back to it's origional configuration. During the disassembly process and stripping of the car, it was discovered that the origional color on the car was a heavy blue metal flake
    as used by many hot-rodders and motorcycle custom painted tanks refinished in the late 60's and 70's. Metalflake Corporation, in Mass. was the original manafacturer of this paint. Further research and conversations between myself, Bertone and Valentino Balboni , as well as Metalflake Corporation confirmed that this was the paint that was used on the Roadster, as shown in the Brussels Auto Show. And during a breakfast meeting with Valentino, he also confirmed that the factory only painted two cars in this color, one being the Miura Roadster, the other the plexi glass roofed series 1 Espada, driven as the pace car of the Monaco Grand Prix.
     
  6. mcg

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    #6081 mcg, Apr 27, 2009
    Powerful second post. Can't be any clearer than that.
     
  7. joe sackey

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    #6082 joe sackey, Apr 27, 2009
    Welcome to F-Chat!

    An invoice or documentation from Metalflake Corporation to Bertone would dispel the well-founded doubts as to why the Italians wouldn't have easily manufactured the show-car's paint themselves, and accordingly one can forgive Alan, or anyone else, for their skepticism. Additionally, the paint on the glass-roof Espada is noticeably different with a tighter/smaller flake than that re-produced for the Roadster and this helps fuel that theory.
     
  8. alan

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    #6083 alan, Apr 27, 2009
    Hi Gary Great job your company did on the Miura Roadster! i wasnt questioning you but the Journalists article. Im just surprised to learn that back in the 60s when the world wasnt quite so global that a company would go half way across the world for a paint source, but hey what do i know. :) Regards Alan W
     
  9. garybobileff

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    #6084 garybobileff, Apr 27, 2009
    Well Joe, point very well taken, BUT, the Espada that we are both refering to was in fact repainted since it was originally produced, as evidenced by the blue metalflake overspray on the oily, dirty suspension. But, unfortunatly, I don't know when or by whom the repaint was done. I have personally seen this myself on the car, as I did a valve job on it last year. So, yes, I totally agree with you that the Espada paint is in fact different. As my own thoery, Metalflake and Candyapple colors that were available in the late 60's were produced by Metalflake Corporation, and if one wanted to use one of these colors on a car, why re-invent the wheel on blue metal flake paint , when it already existed in the era. Just a thought. - Gary Bobileff
     
  10. joe sackey

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    #6085 joe sackey, Apr 27, 2009
    Good points!
     
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    #6086 2NA, Apr 27, 2009
    Welcome to the party Gary, your insights and observations are certainly valued here.
     
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    #6091 joe sackey, Apr 30, 2009
    Excellent.

    One day someone will get to adjusting that passenger side headlamp - it lies a bit too low in parked position, and I have a picture from 1973 when Wolf owned it and it was gold with it exactly like that!
     
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    #6093 Jota 5084, May 2, 2009
    Lol, well at least something is original on that car :)
     
  19. joe sackey

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    #6094 joe sackey, May 2, 2009
    Yes! Good one...
     
  20. alan

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    #6096 joe sackey, May 2, 2009
    Very nice. Alan, more pics of the black SV?
     
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    #6098 johnhoughtaling, May 2, 2009
    nice pics ken QV

    The first where taken on the way to the winners ramp.

    It was funny but as I drove the Shahs car up to the ramp they handed me a gold trophie. It took me an hour to decide to question the judges. The shepishly took it back and said, wait til tonight. Thankfully they made a mistake. But I wasn't expecting to be called in stage sat night where the Shahs car win overall best if show out of 250 cars.

    Thank you Gary Bobileff for his years spent on the car.

    For a little trivia, the shahs SV shares the stable with my rare north american Countach QV, which was the car originally purchased by the alpine corporation for it's add campaign.
     
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    #6100 joe sackey, May 2, 2009
    Fantastic Alex...
     
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