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Oh. Oh. OBD System Failure.

Discussion in '612/599' started by speed racer, May 9, 2009.

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  1. speed racer

    speed racer Formula 3

    Feb 16, 2008
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    Burr Ridge IL.
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    PJ
    Anybody had one of these? Engine system failure warning light. OBD / Onboard diagnostic system malfuntion and or failure. Washed the car, took it for a spin and put it to bed. Next morning I crank the engine over. I get the everything okay light and then half way down the driveway I hear a little bell. Glance down at my screen and there it is in big letters. "Ignition/injection system and or emmission control system failure." Just what you want to see at 7am. on a sunny saterday morning. Turned the car off several times and started it back up. Nope. Not an ignition problem as far as I could tell. The next day I started it up and I got a clean screen and drove it most of the day. Absolutely no problems of any kind. The following day I start it up get a clean screen which goes to failure and back to okay and then back again to failure mode. Took it for a short drive the car drives and feels absolutely normal. This morning it goes directly to failure mode and stays. Again the car behaves perfectly. No shimy, no shake. No loss of power of any kind and all electrics completely normal.
    It goes to the dealer first thing monday and Im hoping it is just a faulty sensor or possibly some kind of cat. converter problem. I'll keep my fingers crossed. Just wanted to know if anyone else has experienced this kind of issue. Just had the dealer perform a complete spring check up 6 weeks ago. No problems. Does anyone know if these sensors are considered to be a little too sensative sometimes and possibly inaccurate? I guess I'll get the answer to all my questions in a couple of days anyway. Was just hoping someone could provide some first hand experience and possibly some answers ahead of time. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
     
  2. The Ape

    The Ape Formula 3

    Feb 28, 2007
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    Good luck with that. Im sure it's just a glitch.
     
  3. vnttg

    vnttg Formula Junior

    Jun 13, 2007
    262
    CA
    Yes, just a glitch. Happened to me once. Took the dealer about 10 minutes to sort out the software issue.
     
  4. donv

    donv Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 5, 2002
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    Check for a loose gas cap.
     
  5. speed racer

    speed racer Formula 3

    Feb 16, 2008
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    Don. Funny you should mention that. But the last thing I did Friday before I put my car to bed was fill it up at the local gas station less than a mile from the house. My problems started first thing Sat. morning. So after reading your post I went out to the garage and checked the cap. It wasn't as tight as it should have been. Removed the gas cap and tightned back on till it gave me that click,click,click. I'll let it sit the rest of the night and try it again first thing AM. Would definately be a quick and painless fix. Thanks for the heads up Don and I'll keep everyone posted.
     
  6. SilverF20C

    SilverF20C Formula 3

    Jun 22, 2004
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    My hunch is the same as donv's from what you've described. The ECU might not reset itself right away even after you seat it correctly (I'm speaking from experience on a different brand and different make altogether). The culprit of course was a loose gas cap and I had the ECU code pulled to confirm it before resetting the ECU myself. Any leak or loss of pressure in the system will trigger it. Most commonly a loose gas cap. In some cars, the ECU light may go off by itself after a few driving cycles once it's normalized but since you're taking it to the dealer I'm sure you'll get a better snapshot of what's happening.
     
  7. elipinski

    elipinski Formula 3

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    #7 elipinski, May 10, 2009
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    Are you talking about a 612 or 599? My 599 does it all the times... got use to it :)

    ok, saw your profile,--599; i also think, its a faulty sensor, somewhere in the engine compartment, where the air-intake is measured; my service-shop, which is f-licensed and really very good and accurate could not solve the problem till now; my car is now 10 months old, and hab it from the very beginning....
     
  8. dan360

    dan360 F1 Rookie

    Feb 18, 2003
    2,669
    Boston
    I had a failure like this when my 612 was new - was a failed fuel level sender, it did it if you filled up with gas. Fixed that and then found a second problem with hoses incorrectly fixed in the evaporative air system (from the factory). I had a bunch of CEL type problems from late model ferraris over the years, including a failed spring in my oil system on a 360 which was 85hrs to sort out (under warranty!). I tend to have this kind of thing checked out.
     
  9. speed racer

    speed racer Formula 3

    Feb 16, 2008
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    It was worth a shot. But tightening the loose cap did not fix the problem. I am however pretty convinced that a loose gas cap was the cause of the problem. In all probability the ECU needs to be reset. Still I am not prepared to take the chance that it may not self correct over time. Or more importantely that this may represent a more serious problem. In any case the dealer will have my car tomorrow and hopefully they will be able to sort it all out. I will however offer up all the advice and information that has been given to me by fellow members. Hopefully this info will help the dealer zero in and find a quick solution. I will keep everyone posted once I have some answers. Thanks.
     
  10. SilverF20C

    SilverF20C Formula 3

    Jun 22, 2004
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    Exactly, always get the codes pulled first and err on the safe side. My comment was more to do with how current fuel injection systems react to this issue. Good luck and hopefully it is a quick (read: free) fix. :)
     
  11. ferrarirafi

    ferrarirafi Karting

    Oct 16, 2006
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    need to take it to dealer; i left the cap slighly unscrewed and got that msg. It will not reset automatically
     
  12. donv

    donv Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I was told that the codes will probably not reset on their own, although it's not certain.

     
  13. dan360

    dan360 F1 Rookie

    Feb 18, 2003
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    What year is the car, do you have the new gas cap design that all F-cars now have? ie like every other modern car, twist till it clicks as opposed to the old machined aluminum try not to cross thread it or do it up too tight variety...
     
  14. speed racer

    speed racer Formula 3

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    Its an 07. Yes it does have the more modern gas cap that click,click ,clicks. Unfortuanately I don't think I tightened it properly the last time I filled it up. If that was the problem it should be an easy fix. Should have the answer soon.
     
  15. ferrarirafi

    ferrarirafi Karting

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    Dan,
    the rubber paint protector surrounding the gas tank can prevent a perfect seal if one is not careful, even with the click click click...
     
  16. speed racer

    speed racer Formula 3

    Feb 16, 2008
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    Well. Good News. Just got the call from the dealer. The problem has been resolved. Apparently there are three temperture sensors built into the 599. Two in the engine conpartment and one underneath the drivers side view mirror. That little bump that I never paid much attention to. All three work in tandem and the side mirror sensor was either non functional or was not feeding the correct information to the engine conpartment sensors. If any of the three are inoperable or feeding bad information to the other two. You will get an engine system failure message. The code read "temperture failure" and the fault has been corrected. This was the first of this type of sensor fault that CAS has experienced to date in a 599. So I guess I win todays prize. The service dept. says that there are many critical and non critical problems that can trigger an engine systems failure warning. Currently there is no way to differentiate between the two. They hope that eventually the 599 will be built with two different color codings. That can tell the owner if the problem is urgent or something that can be handled in a less immediate fashion. Anyway I seem to be good to go. Appreciate everyones comments and advice. I guess we all just learned something new about the 599. I certainly did. Thanks to all.
     
  17. SilverF20C

    SilverF20C Formula 3

    Jun 22, 2004
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    Good to hear and interesting to learn! That would be a great development if they differentiated minor from major issues. Pretty odd that manufacturers lump error codes into the same categories.
     
  18. SciFrog

    SciFrog Formula Junior

    Apr 9, 2008
    566
    USA
    Just got the ECU warning also (612), dealer says due to gas cap and only them can reset it...
     
  19. Sfumato

    Sfumato F1 World Champ

    Nov 1, 2003
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    #19 Sfumato, Aug 26, 2009
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    Sometimes if you cycle ignition 10 times (seems magic number in more than a few cars) and the fault doesn't repeat, it self-cancels. Doesn't always work, but worth try.
     

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