0858 to be auctioned

Jim, I can't thank you enough for that. The first (and last) time I saw that was at summer camp about forty years ago.
Needless to say it made a very strong impression then if I still remember it so well.
David

 

What a great video. No HD but who cares. This is the way motor racing was supposed to be!! just one man's opinion tongascrew

 

I can only thank you for taking the time to discuss this with me . There are no rules etched in stone unless the 'Great Man" returns carrying the tablets. It would be nice to think he was reading FerrariChat and enjoying our discussion. Thanks again. I am sure we will meet again over some other issue and I look forward to it. just one man's opinion tongascrew

 

Best!

 

Yeah, I was composing my post and when I posted it the evidence of what you are stating popped up...

 

Comparing the two rears, the Prova writing is not in exactly the same place and the rear windows are different.

Just an observation, don't know if it's relevant since I haven't followed the discussion exactly.

 

See Post #198

Nathan

 

These people (the auctioneers) are not dummies. I'm guessing there would be, at the minimum, a stiff penalty. More likely they have possession and whatever title document exists, with a firm contract.

 

As Ed states, the legal issues of the two auctions are totally different..........

 

So Jim do you have your eye on any of these fine automobiles at the auction?

 

I am surprised and astonished by the 0858 sale!

Let me explain

27 September 2007, the Wall Street Journal publishes a few lines on the sale of 0858!

It states that the Ferrari was bought by a Japanese client, Mr. Yoshinao Kuzami through the Australian Society "Tickford Invest Component" for the sum of: 14, 670 million euros.
The transaction was finalized in Basel at the end of May 2007.

The 0858 Ferrari 330 P4 is then transported by private plane, Airbus A320-200, configured "cargo" to an unknown destination in 2007, but had to join the collection of Yoshinao Kuzami in Kyoto.
What is paradoxical is that 0858 version is sold in a body "berlinetta".
At the time of the transaction, Albert Obrist and Pierre Bardinon had been interviewed and had expressed surprise, even though Mr Obrist had had a "wind" on a sale to the beginning of 2006.

Then, what is the 330 P4 CanAm body ?

Information on Wall Street Journal 27 December 2007.

Summary:
- http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/0856.330P4.htm
- http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/0858.330P4.htm
- http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/0860.330P4.htm

Questions:
1) Is it purchased in 0858 by Mr. Yoshinao Kuzami Berlinetta bodywork and sold with a CanAm body?
2) is't a fake ? God ! That would be very expensive.

What do you know the seller?

 

I can find no link to the WSJ article you cite.

There is NO question that the car being auctioned at the factory is 0858 and is currently owned by the person identified in this link:

http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/0858.330P4.htm

If " Mr. Yoshinao Kuzami through the Australian Society "Tickford Invest Component" (bought) for the sum of: 14, 670 million euros (a car represented as 0858 IMHO he has a serious problem)".

 

+1 I cannot find this link in my WSJ archive I have available to me....
Erik

 

Thanks so much for the pdf file of a French Magazine which does report this transaction as described.

Once again I believe that there is NO question that the car that "Mr. Yoshinao Kuzami" bought (assuming the article is correct) is NOT 0858.

 

Been doing a quick bit of Googling, Jim.

Only reference I could find to this was on a French race replica kit car forum, funnily enough.

See: http://racing.conceptforum.net

and: http://racing.conceptforum.net/le-comptoir-f13/folie-douce-t743.htm

Note the title of the thread: Folie Douce ....

Reckon someone's been had. Or perhaps there's yet another P4 replica lurking out in Japan which I need to add to the register.

 

The script 0856 script is underneath the current page no?

 

I think you're right. I do think if someone payed 14MM for a replica of 0858 he over payed a touch.

 

Besides, we all know how the press love to hype anything to do with Ferrari (in general) and P4's (in particular) - regardless of whether the storyline has any truth in it (or not), in their efforts to sell copy.

This probably being the prime example: http://www.flickr.com/photos/apocryphal_fabrication/3055030093/in/pool-p4replica

(Remember all the syndicated b*llsh*t newspaper and internet reporting which ensued ? )

There was an article on Max Theiler's P4 replica featured in the April issue of Italian car magazine Ruoteclassiche, which I'm currently waiting to get my hands on a copy of. Notice in the abridged online version of the article, they tend to major more on the real cars:

http://www.quattroruote.it/autoclassiche/edicola/articolo.cfm?codice=178904

Has anybody yet seen and read the article on #0858 in the current issue of MotorSport ? Likely to be rather more factual.

 

Paul
Is that the June issue? Isn't it likely to be just copied from the RM press release?
Nathan

 

Someone must be sleeping rather uneasy at the moment.

How is it, even with press coverage mentioning the serial number, that this fact could go un-noticed?

(And if it is true, how does someone spend that sum without doing their homework?)

 

Paul: I so do enjoy your posts, and how they help us keep it all in perspective...

 

Personally I doubt this happened. As I said there is no record of the article in the WSJ archives. Google comes up blank on this Collector or the Financial Company mentioned he allegedly used to buy 0858 for 14MM e. The article alludes to a NY Collector on the Stock Exchange as the seller of 0858, which would be me, but it's public record and clearly listed in Barchetta that I own 0846 and 0854 not 0858. Barchetta clearly lists Walter as the owner of 0858, PB as the owner of 0860 and LS as the owner of 0856.

There have been stories of Car sold to Japan at huge money that were not what they were perported to be, and anything is possible, but in this case I think this article is BS.

 

Jim
back in the days many of the top F classics ended up passing through the Don Walker collection here in Dallas that is how Bob Norwood ended up pulling molds from at least one p4 to create his "replecant" and there are a few of those floating out there... now the funny part is i have heard the same thing over and over in the years i have been poking around this world that Bob or someone with his skills and balls pulled some "clone" copies and sold them to un suspecting japaneese collectors at the peak of the 80's feeding frenzy. I have no knowlege of this beyond the whispers/