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0858 to be auctioned

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  1. Ed Niles

    Ed Niles Formula 3
    Honorary

    Sep 7, 2004
    2,493
    West Hills, CA
    Full Name:
    Edwin K. Niles
    NS at $6.7. Not a successful car in it's present config, but concensus seems to be to not restore to first body, so what is one left with? Great event car, though.
     
  2. camma due

    camma due Rookie

    Nov 19, 2008
    24
    US
    #252 camma due, May 15, 2009
    Last edited: May 15, 2009
    Well spoken Eccola. Both sides have strong cases, and neither is right. And neither is wrong.
     
  3. camma due

    camma due Rookie

    Nov 19, 2008
    24
    US
    Preserving what? The 350 Can Am was a customer car with lame results. Never ran as SF. If this car sells, it will most certainly be returned to its P4 configuration. With or without sleeves.
     
  4. richardowen

    richardowen Formula Junior

    Apr 2, 2004
    841
    Montreal, Canada
    7,000,000.00 EUR, 9,438,452.27 USD
     
  5. richardowen

    richardowen Formula Junior

    Apr 2, 2004
    841
    Montreal, Canada
    Oh, and CSX2601 sells on mecum.com in four hours!
     
  6. jimlt4383

    jimlt4383 Karting

    Sep 1, 2006
    87
    If you knew who to ask , has this car not been for sale for the past ten years or so with a price tag north of 10m US ?
     
  7. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

    May 23, 2006
    57,525
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joe Sackey
    Not taking the piss at all. I just appreciate your insight for what it is. Unlike some folk, you call a replica, a replica.
     
  8. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,118
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
    Not if I buy her.
     
  9. moriaan1

    moriaan1 Formula 3

    Dec 3, 2006
    2,330
    Netherlands
    Full Name:
    Hans
    above my budget...
     
  10. moriaan1

    moriaan1 Formula 3

    Dec 3, 2006
    2,330
    Netherlands
    Full Name:
    Hans
    hmm, she would be in good hands!
     
  11. ArtS

    ArtS F1 World Champ
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Nov 11, 2003
    13,313
    Central NJ
    In my opinion, the car is a no-stories 350 Can-Am or a 'stories' (almost on the order of 0846!) 330 P4. While the car's history includes being a P4, how much of the current vehicle was part of the original P4? Recover some P4 bits from it produce to build around, create replacement parts for what you removed and you can have bitsas in each form! This is an interesting debate; good luck to the buyer!




    Jim,

    Good luck on the bidding! I'd love to see it, in its present form, on the streets of NY!

    Regards,

    Art S.
     
  12. Tom Roland

    Tom Roland Formula Junior

    Feb 14, 2006
    355
    #262 Tom Roland, May 15, 2009
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    And what about this one (Lot #229) ?

    Photo above shows it at Imola in 1987. Not changed since.

    Photo 2 shows a twin Vignale 212 at the 1953 Geneva Show. Most probably very similar to what 0287EU (the car to be auctioned) used to be originally.

    Big difference. Any improvement ? Even Ferrari never made a race-horse out of a donkey.

    Who knows exactly how it was ?
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  13. richardowen

    richardowen Formula Junior

    Apr 2, 2004
    841
    Montreal, Canada
    sweet
     
  14. Ferraripilot

    Ferraripilot F1 World Champ
    Owner Project Master

    May 10, 2006
    17,846
    Atlanta
    Full Name:
    John!
    I sense a thread of the year for the changes she might/might not be put through if that happens. Interesting stuff
     
  15. camma due

    camma due Rookie

    Nov 19, 2008
    24
    US
    Then you have forced me to sell my wife and children in an attempt to outbid you.
     
  16. eccola

    eccola Rookie

    Jul 7, 2004
    3
    No, Jim, a premium in the bidding (higher end of the estmate range) as opposed to a discount (lower end of range or not even - which your reasoning means). Let's face it, the cachet of 350 CanAm is not as strong as 330P4. Which is one (albeit not the most important) reason no one would be silly enough to convert a P-car variant (especially 856) to a 350 CanAm.

    Unless Medlin is in trouble, I doubt the reserve assumes a 350 CanAm rather than P4 + Can Am. But we shall see soon enough.
     
  17. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,118
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
    Before bidding I seriously suggest a Complete inspection and a
    Realistic understanding of what it will take to P 4 this car
    and what you'll wind up if you do and what Type II Clasiche
    Certification means and does not mean.
     
  18. Bill_OBrien

    Bill_OBrien Formula Junior

    Oct 28, 2004
    416
    Houston, TX
    Full Name:
    Bill O'Brien
    The Shelby Daytona was bid to $6.8 mil for a No Sale
     
  19. f308jack

    f308jack F1 Rookie

    Jun 7, 2007
    4,300
    Cape Town, South Afr
    Full Name:
    Jack Verschuur
    Bit late to start doing the homework now, but someone did:)
     
  20. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

    Nov 20, 2002
    17,673
    Tauranga, NZ
    Full Name:
    Pete
    It won't sell. I would honestly be surprised if the bids go over $2m ... so many more interesting and usable cars out their.

    Pete
     
  21. mdsaxon

    mdsaxon Karting

    Sep 18, 2006
    237
    S.W. Florida
    .
     
  22. Zegna

    Zegna Formula Junior

    Apr 14, 2006
    424
    North America
    Full Name:
    Jesse
    No sale at 9.5MM USD.
     
  23. CarbBoxer

    CarbBoxer Formula Junior

    Oct 7, 2008
    844
    Houston
    Full Name:
    PW
    Sold- $14.5M US
     
  24. Cris Bertschi

    Cris Bertschi Formula Junior

    Mar 3, 2005
    808
    Buenos Aires
    Full Name:
    Cristián Bertschi
  25. 335s

    335s Formula Junior

    Jan 17, 2007
    870
    SF Bay Area
    Full Name:
    T. Monma
    Ridiculously important car-even if mere remnants of former glorious self....

    IT IS THE END OF THE GOLDEN AGE of motor racing...next came the 917s......

    this car is "in the can"-all in with fees.....14.5 or higher....
    for those who can afford these cars, they know what this means in terms of committment and restorarion....this car can, abd will get done all the way.....They are staggeringly important cars.
    Do these cars come with "dog tags" from classiche? Is that not a predicate to participation? If so, this seems a done deal....no?

    0714TR is anothwer story....more likely they missed the high water mark on this one...bid and "not met reserve" all the way to 12Million US...12 was turnrd down last year!.....at least so goes the gossip around the camp fire...

    SWB California....a BIT HARDER TO SAY..6-8MILLION-"DEPENDING ON THE SMALL STUFF" so to speak....they are now worth more than NART spyders....the "global" market has spoken....
     

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