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  1. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Speak for yourself you idiot!!! GO AWAY and let the racing rule! Fine new teams, we also need NEW and more able FIA LEADERSHIP!


    Mosley: F1 will die without new teams
    Tuesday 2nd June 2009 - PlanetF1.com

    FIA President Max Mosley has once again hit back at Ferrari's claims that the new teams who want to join F1 next season are not up to standard.


    Ferrari as well as Renault team boss Flavio Briatore blasted the quality of teams and the Italian team sarcastically suggested that "it be more appropriate to call it Formula GP3?" if the likes of Wirth Research, Lola and USF1 sign up.


    Mosley, though, is having none of it, warning that Formula One will die if new entrepreneurs don't enter the sport.


    "No sport is healthy without new people coming in," Mosley told Germany's Deutsche Presse Agentur.


    "Ferrari forget that the current BMW team started as Sauber, the current Williams team started with Williams buying March, [and] Tyrrell started a little team at the end of the sixties that was Honda and is now Brawn.


    "Even Enzo Ferrari himself came along in 1948 and started from nothing. If you stopped those new entrepreneurs coming in, Formula 1 will die. You can't have just a lot of old men running it."
     
  2. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Porno maXXX's argument is just stupid, you can't compare stuff that happened in the 80-90's to what's happening now (briatore won a world title having spend 30mm total in one season, compared to the 300mm or so needed to do so now). Let alone 1948.

    Sauber (as is brawn) is more or less just a name change, not a brand new time like USf1 is.
     
  3. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

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    Max is right on this one...new blood-teams keep the sport alive.
     
  4. Ney

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    Yes, new blood is needed, but you don't get there by having it handed to you. Teams need to work their way up to F1. You don't start a political career by running for President, you start in local government. If you get rid of all of the old teams and replace them with new ones, you don't have F1, but a racing series that very few people care about that is a shadow of its former self.

    See CanAm Version 2 or Version 3. The sequel is never as good as the original.
     
  5. R2112

    R2112 Formula 3

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    Max...its quality, not quantity. :rolleyes:
     
  6. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    +1 as Lynrd Skynrd said "You got that right"
     
  7. jtremlett

    jtremlett F1 Rookie

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    Yes, so why don't you crawl back to your dungeon and hand over to someone else then Mosleyscum?

    Jonathan
     
  8. Tifoso1

    Tifoso1 F1 Rookie

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    If Max really believes in what he is saying, then I strongly suggest that he talks to Bernie and start sharing all those $$ F1 is making for them. They can start by dropping the team entry fees and superlicense fees for the drivers so the new teams coming in can better allocate those funds to developing a capable challenger to the existing teams.

    You do not get a better product by dropping your quality for quantity.
     
  9. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Oh yes I agree wholeheartedly....Now set a good example old chap, and don't let the door hit your a$$ on the way out, you may enjoy it.
     
  10. RP

    RP F1 World Champ

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    I would agree with you. I do not understand the assumption that these will be low class teams. If the budgets are all the same, it will be a matter of who has the better staff, i.e. engineers, drivers, etc. Quality, should be similar all the way around.



    Bas Jaski you are sort of correct when you said:

    "Porno maXXX's argument is just stupid, you can't compare stuff that happened in the 80-90's to what's happening now (briatore won a world title having spend 30mm total in one season, compared to the 300mm or so needed to do so now). Let alone 1948. Sauber (as is brawn) is more or less just a name change, not a brand new time like USf1 is."

    So I would assume that the same principle applies to finding big buck corporate sponsors to fill the gaps in 2010? In other words, what happened in the 80-90 period is not the same as today because now there are no more big corporations that would jump into F1 with unlimted budgets as there was in the 80's and 90's. Right? So using your theory, we need to find a way to bring in new quality teams to replace the ones that are leaving because of 2009 world economics. I am not trying to be funny.

    So how does that happen? New teams that is? Again, I am not being sarcastic, I just have not heard from anyone how the 2-3 teams rumored to be leaving F1 in the next two years will be replaced. I don't want to watch 14-16 cars, or even three car teams. And I don't see any big buck corporations wanting to enter an unlimited budget series.

    And at one time, Sauber was a new entity in F1. Like Tyrrell, like Ensign, Hesketh, etc. Even Lotus and Gurney.
     
  11. nsxrebel

    nsxrebel Formula 3

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    T:2 was better than Terminator. ;)
     
  12. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Max just doesn't get it, does he?
     
  13. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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  14. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    He is not alone..;)
     
  15. TifosiUSA

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    LOL
     

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