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  1. lostbowl

    lostbowl Formula 3

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    I'm new to the game but when I extracted the engine recently I came upon a wire near the coils that had a tag on it. It is used for checking timing , can anyone tell me how and with what instrument? Lostbowl
     
  2. ferrarioldman

    ferrarioldman Formula 3
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    If it is a connector with 2 wires to it, it connects to the factory tester call a Jofatron. Checks timing, RPM and advance curve. Will also perform cylinder shut down.
     
  3. lostbowl

    lostbowl Formula 3

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    Thanks for the no-nonsense answer! I have to inquire if you have heard/seen this senario. I recently purchased a 1982 GTSi and it ran great at speed. I could redline the engine and it sounded perfect, however, I could not get a proper idle. After checking the plugs I decided I needed to do a compression check and found one hole to register 25PSI. The other seven went a near perfect 175psi. I had records of maintainence but nothing had been done in years with only 33K on the clock so I pulled the motor and am perplexed by what I found. All the intakes were at spec .20mm clearance. Seven exhaust valves were .08-.18mm and the dead hole was a negative . Very happy to see honing marks in the cyl. so the engine is in great shape. Is this a common find? I wound think that either the correct service was never done! Do you have an opinion on this subject? Tom (another oldtimer)
     
  4. oldcoin

    oldcoin Formula Junior

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    I think the valve on the dead cylinder has streched and should be replaced
     
  5. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Valves do not stretch to a negative. The most it will do is stretch or more probably pound the seat to zero.
     
  6. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Honing marks are no indication of engine condition on that motor. I have seen many Ferrari cylinders with honing marks and worn out pistons and rings.

    I have seen your scenario. The person who last adjusted the valves probably did some bad math and put in incorrect shims. That is really the only explanation for the exhaust clearance to be all over the place. Readjust the valves and see how it runs. Valve leakage from a tight valve will very adversely effect low speed operation and its effects will diminish with RPM.
     
  7. 50hdmc

    50hdmc Formula 3

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    Ontonagon? You got snow tires or chains for your car. Has to be the only one up there in those woods, Ya? Best of luck with her...
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  8. CliffBeer

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    Lostbowl, don't assume that if you set the clearance on the low compression pot to the right clearance that you'll have full compression back. With that much blow by the valve seat and rim you might have a slightly burned valve. I hope you get full compression but if not then I'd bet you've got a nice little v-shaped burn spot on the valve rim. Not too tough to fix but, of course, that head has to come off.....
     
  9. lostbowl

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    Thanks guys, again for the advice. This forum has been the best that I have come across and the knowledge pool is fantastic. To address both replys yes my insurance man said this is the only F-car in Ontonagon (no surprise, not too many people left and we like it that way) With 300 plus inches of snow the only vehicle we use in the winter is the Tahoe and the F-car is great for our two weeks of summer--"ya you betcha". I have already pulled the motor and head and even lightly lapped the valves in the dead hole and found them to be concentric so they will go back in. I will run another comp test before putting it back in. This brings me to the next step------------I have read all the posts about valve timing and have done several other overhead cam engines, Subaru, Jags etc. but the F-car posts are all so different------- one guy says paint marks on the pulleys and belts and transferr them to the new belts and then some go to degree wheels-------- Are there not marks on the cams and crank pulleys to line up?
    Has anyone used the VHT wrinkle paint on the cam covers with reasonable success? Has anyone painted or coated the exhaust header covers with anything that held up? BIG Thanks, Tom
     
  10. st@ven

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    #10 st@ven, Jun 19, 2009
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    if you've done timingjobs before on all different cars you know what to look for, Ferrari-engines are not any different, use common sense. Newer cars do have marks on the outside, the oleder on the inside of the valvecover

    about wrinklepaint and coating exhaust

    i did, wrinklepaint (powdercoated) the valvocovers and ceramic coated the exhaust
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  11. lostbowl

    lostbowl Formula 3

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    Nice detail on your engine----- Has anyone used the VHT primer/wrinkle with success? We have a little problem UP here in the woods that retards me from sending parts out to be done. Example-------- I had a set of Subaru heads sent out for dye checking and hot tanking at our local Car Quest. As I have always done with Al heads I made plywood protectors that cover both sides and are through bolted together to protect them in shipping--------------------when I got them back the heads were in one box and the plywood protectors in another--------------------- my worst fear, one head was dropped and the boss for the front bearing was crushed and the Car Quest store knocked off a couple bucks----------------- american quality control at it's best!! Anyway I need to do all things in-house so they don't get screwed up. Hence, I hope the VHT stuff is good but I have never used it before. Lostbowl
     
  12. brook308

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    Lostbowl,

    I used VHT Wrinle Black on my valve covers during a recent engine rebuild with good results.

    You'll need to scuff the surface of the valve/timing covers to allow the VHT to bond.

    Do a seach on "GT4 Engine Dead" too see the pics.

    Cheers

    George
     
  13. Ferrari328GT

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    #13 Ferrari328GT, Jun 20, 2009
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    Yes, VHT can be used with good success. Polishing the fins and letters looks good, too. Here's mine, along with ceramic coated headers. Three years later, they both still look good. -Steve
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  14. lostbowl

    lostbowl Formula 3

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    Steve,
    Thanks for the reply! Are you running without the heat shields on the headers and if so are there any problems with the heat transfer to other parts under the hood? Lostbowl
     

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