In my opinion, Market seem to have weakend in the last 2-3 years but this is only regarding the standard models with prices around $300k - $350k. Sport versions, factory tuned/modified versions and the last series of cars build out of spare parts still seem to trade on a high level. Different story at the U.S. market, I know. What was necessary to get the 959 threw registration process anyways?
This one's owned by a fellow in California. He's documented all the work that's gone into it's restoration in several posts. http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/05/pcagpxqueenmary---010.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=371518 Ralph Lauren also owns one, it was part of his car collection tour a few years back.
I'd rather have a 997 Turbo: Faster, more reliable, I would actually drive it, more efficient and cheaper.
True but that kind of defeats the purpose. I think if you buy a 959, you probably already have a car like a 997 turbo
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From what I've seen, the 430 outruns the F40 up to 100mph. They're neck and neck at 100, the quarter mile. But that's just looking at acceleration, which is a minor part of the story.
It doesn't matter much, performance is just that, but for me is all about the thrills... I would rather own a F40, 288gto, Porsche 906, 908, over a F430 or new Porsche GT2 etcetera, but I can't afford those. I got lucky to afford the F430, but my true calling is the can am stuff.
I just started building a Tamiya 959. Anybody have pics of the engine and interior? I need some for reference, and could use shots of the bottom (especially bottom of engine) if anybody has some they can share. I've searched the internet but can't really find just what I'm looking for. When I'm done, I'm going to claim I own a 959 .
here's some one's chance to buy a fixer-upper. http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/showDetails.html?lang=de&id=117770979&pageNumber=1&__lp=1&scopeId=C&sortOption.sortBy=price.consumerGrossEuro&sortOption.sortOrder=ASCENDING&makeModelVariant1.makeId=20100&makeModelVariant1.modelId=13&makeModelVariant1.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant2.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant3.searchInFreetext=false&vehicleCategory=Car&segment=Car&siteId=GERMANY&negativeFeatures=EXPORT&damageUnrepaired=NO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&export=NO_EXPORT&customerIdsAsString=&tabNumber=2 Image Unavailable, Please Login
You could buy that car, ship it back to Porsche, and have them make you a new one out of it. They'll do it too........but I'd hate to ask the price.
I once saw a picture of a 959 rear fender with a $10k price tag on it. This was at least 8 or 9 years ago though.
I have the same model. I bought it probably 10yrs ago now, and still haven't done mor than take the sprues out of the box a few times to look them over
That can't be because I have seen 6 in Southern California. 2 of them were at Keylian's (had an exotic car dealership in Beverly Hills and owned Lamborghini of OC. Now sitting in Federal Prison for 10 years for stealing Lambos from VW). I do know real from Getty. Getty's are very close except interior and the center lug wheels. Awesome cars. BTW I just noticed that the white car you pictured is an S which is incredibly rare. You can tell an S because of the roll cage inside and the cloth seats. Not that these are common cars anyway but you are right, if you are talking about an S there are probably less than 5 in the US.
It's show and display only and Canepa was very instrumental in the regulations. BTW for the US you ONLY want a Canepa car because they did it right. The car is more powerful, faster, quicker and more reliable than the original. With the help of the Porsche factory they re-engineered something like 75 parts including a much better turbo.
I was under the impression that Canepa was an authorized importer of 959s, and they fully legalized them. 959s have been legal under Show and Display since the early '90s at least. I think the 959 was one of the very first cars authorized for import under the Show and Display clause.
Bringing any non-U.S. spec car into the U.S. faces two major hurdles: U.S. Dept. of Transportation (DOT) safety regulations, and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) emissions regulations. If a manufacturer did not certify (usually through crash testing) a particular model as complying with DOT safety regs, that usually was the nail in the importation coffin, as it was essentially impossible for any individual (even someone with the deep pockets of Bill Gates, with his Porsche 959) to engineer, implement, and certify modifications to comply with the DOT safety regs. This problem was mitigated by the "Show and Display" law, which authorized DOT to exempt certain (but not all) non-U.S. spec cars that met specific criteria (such as the 959, which was one of the first cars named) from the safety regulations. "Show and Display" thus removed one hurdle--DOT safety regulations--from the importation pathway for certain cars, but another hurdle still remained--EPA emissions regulations. Fortunately, the EPA emissions regs were more easily dealt with than the DOT safety regs, and this is where Canepa and a few other companies came into the picture. What to do--cat converters, remapping engine management codes, etc.--and certification procedures (chassis dynos and exhaust sniffers) were well known quantities. I am not saying this was easy, but neither was it reinventing the wheel. In the course of developing the mods to get the 959 to pass emissions regs, Canepa also took on other issues--oil and water pump leaks, the special run flat tires for the 959 that were no longer produced--that would likely have been addressed by the Porsche factory had the 959 been produced in any significant numbers but were not because of the very limited production. Further, Canepa also developed additional modifications, such as revising the 959's suspension, to "improve" the car. I have not been in a Canepa-modified 959, but have spoken with owners as well as technicians/curators who maintained a number of 959s, and will say that opinions about some of the Canepa mods vary--as do opinions about almost everything. That's why they make both chocolate and vanilla ice cream. I have saved the best news for last: EPA emissions regs for the Porsche 959 have recently become moot, as other regulations specifically exempt any car that is 21 years old or older from the emissions requirements. So, a 1987-1988 Porsche 959 can now be imported into the U.S. just as Gott und Helmuth Bott intended it to be--without any modifications whatsoever. Sorry for the long windedness. I hope this clears up any questions about importing a 959.
I thought the 959 was THE FIRST car to be legal under Show and Display, but I could be wrong about that.
Otis Chandler would know. His was the first one legally in the country. I don't know when it was imported, but it was sometime before '93.
This would mean that all Canepa legalized 959s still have to abide by the mileage and insurance limitations that show & display requires. When MotoRex legalized the Nissan Skylines, they did crash testing for the DOT and met EPA requirements as well, so the Skylines that were imported by MotoRex don't have any limitations on them; they can be driven as much as any other car in the US.
Back when I was a bit younger....on one of my trips to LA I went a certain dealership there. They had a Diablo VT,VTTT,SV,GT,and GTR,2 EB110's (One GT one SS),2 XJ220's (one street one race prepped), a couple of Bentleys/RR's, no Ferraris, and two Porsche 959's...two! The guy inside was cool as hell and let me look around every car that was in there. The only car that wasn't present was an F40/F50 or a McLaren F1....which I pretty forgot about that day....cool stuff indeed. Definitely a unique experience...
