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Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by Bill S, Jun 12, 2009.

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  1. F430GT

    F430GT Formula 3

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    #26 F430GT, Jun 18, 2009
    Consistent with my weight figures. The Scuderia can use 5 gallons of fuel in just 50 miles (more fuel indeed, overrated at 11mpg) at 6.28 lba/gal that would increase the weight to 3,160 lbs with a full tank.
     
  2. Bill S

    Bill S Formula 3

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    #27 Bill S, Jun 18, 2009
    I'm working on the F40, F50, 288GTO and Scuderia now. I know a local person that has all of these cars, but he's out of town for a few weeks. So if there's anyone else in Southern California who has these cars, please PM me. I'll pay to fill it up, lunch, or dinner, whichever the owner prefers. Or a ride in one of my cars if they prefer that.
     
  3. F430GT

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    #28 F430GT, Jun 18, 2009
    Bill the GT3 RS weight is a bit off. With the gauge where it sits, that car is missing close to 4 gallons of fuel, 25 lbs should be added, to an empty weight of 3,099 lbs and a full tank weight of 3,210 lbs.

    I have the weight of over a dozen of 997 GT3 and GT3 RS (including my former RS weighed multiple times). Base car no options: 3,141 lbs, with PCCB 3,099 lbs, both figures with no fuel.

    At one event my RS weighed close to 3,300 lbs on the POC digital scales.
     
  4. Bill S

    Bill S Formula 3

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    #29 Bill S, Jun 18, 2009
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    Good eyes! I wondered if someone would see that. Actually, the tank is completely full (I filled it to overflowing). The gauge is broken and has been reading low for a few weeks now.

    This 997 GT3 RS has the options shown here...
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  5. jeff

    jeff Formula 3

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    #30 jeff, Jun 18, 2009
    Fascinating project. I find it interesting that the weights on all these cars are pretty close. Is the technology limited? Maybe all the safety rules affect a car more than anything else?
     
  6. Bill S

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    #31 Bill S, Jun 18, 2009
    My guess is technology is keeping the weight down with the increased vehicle size, comfort, and safety requirements. Increased rigidity (desirable) is also adding to the weight. But Ferrari is doing remarkably well with their all-aluminum body work on the standard cars. Porsche is now only doing aluminum on the front hood and doors.

    We'll know more when we weigh the older cars (288GTO, F40, F50).
     
  7. DM1

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    #32 DM1, Jun 18, 2009
    Bill see if Jeffry is in town, he has a F40. If you can't find ANYONE in CA let me know and I might bring mine from AZ there on the way to Concorso or something.
     
  8. rossocorsa13

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    #33 rossocorsa13, Jun 18, 2009
    Bill, thanks for the thread.

    I used to think that +/- 3200 lbs. for a supercar was slightly disappointing, and to some extent I still do and would like to see manufacturers strive to dip them well below the 3000 lb. mark (like what Jim did with the P 4/5).

    But then I Googled the dimensions of both the Stradale and the Enzo and realized what a pretty impressive achievement the Enzo's weight really is. It's ten inches longer, five inches wider, and only two inches shorter than its sister and yet it weighs only 160 lbs. more. It also has four extra cylinders and the accompanying elements necessary to keep the extra heat reigned in...

    Quite remarkable. I guess carbon fiber goes quite a long way...
     
  9. ScreaminRevs

    ScreaminRevs Formula Junior

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    #34 ScreaminRevs, Jun 19, 2009
    Great thread!

    Would be interested to see if Gordon Murray's claims of his F1 "weighing no more than a Golf" are true.

    Also, does the Zonda S really come in at only 2700 lbs, or is that a Ferrari-like claim of dry weight only?
     
  10. Bill S

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    #35 Bill S, Jun 19, 2009
    Yes, the Enzo's light weight is almost unbelievable for its size. But I'm not sure the next Ferrari super car could be much smaller and still maintain the performance, comfort and looks people expect from a Ferrari super car. So I suppose we'll see new lightweight materials for the body, engine, chassis and suspension. Maybe something stronger and lighter than carbon fiber that can be used in all of these areas.
     
  11. Bill S

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    #36 Bill S, Jun 19, 2009
    Thanks so much for the generous offer. I think I'll find a stock US F40 before then (if Jeffry Tipo815?). But if not, I hope we can meet up.

    BTW, can you tell me what your Owner's Manual says for the F40 fuel tank capacity?
     
  12. Speedracer38

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    #37 Speedracer38, Jun 19, 2009
    Jeffrey has both the F40 and F50 which would knock 2 off of your list if he would want to have them weighed.
     
  13. DM1

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    #38 DM1, Jun 19, 2009
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  14. Kds

    Kds F1 World Champ

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    #39 Kds, Jun 19, 2009
    WOW !!!!

    P4/5 is 500 +/- pounds lighter than a stock Enzo.
     
  15. Napolis

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    #40 Napolis, Jun 19, 2009
    While we did have fuel in her on the PF scales in the wind tunnel we weren't full so I'd say about 400lbs lighter. We have engineered a CF front sub frame that we'll be fitting at some point which we think will take even more weight out.
     
  16. Enzomaniac

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    #41 Enzomaniac, Jun 19, 2009
    The factory had previously published these dry weights in promotional progaganda while marketing the following two cars:

    Challenge Stradale: 2822 lbs; and
    Enzo: 3010 lbs.

    Note, of course, that this is without any liquid in any reservoir or cylinder or case. I do not remember seeing any claim about the Scuderia, although it is likely the factory published one during its advertising campaign.
     
  17. DM1

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    #42 DM1, Jun 19, 2009
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  18. Bill S

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    #43 Bill S, Jun 19, 2009
    DM, thanks so much from scanning and posting those F40 Owner's Manual pages. That gives me a good starting point for when I weigh an F40:

    F40 OWNER'S MANUAL:

    Curb Weight (empty): 2,980 lbs
    Fuel Tank: 31.7 gallons (main + reserve)
     
  19. Bill S

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    #44 Bill S, Jun 19, 2009
    I'll be weighing a Scuderia on Monday. Stay tuned!
     
  20. DM1

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    #45 DM1, Jun 19, 2009
    By the way, Check out Max speed on the F40 at 171 MPH. Wasn't the F40 the first street car to 200+ MPH stock?
     
  21. SSNISTR

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    #46 SSNISTR, Jun 19, 2009
    It sure was, I remember reading a thread about how many mistakes were in the US owners manual. I mean look at the 0-60 time LOL....
     
  22. SSNISTR

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    #47 SSNISTR, Jun 19, 2009
    What a difference, the Euro spec weighs about 300 pounds less.
     
  23. Bill S

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    #48 Bill S, Jun 19, 2009
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  24. rossocorsa13

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    #49 rossocorsa13, Jun 19, 2009
    So I want to know who gets the privilege of doing the in-between process involved in going from a full tank of gas to an empty tank.

    And would also love to volunteer my services in your noble endeavor.

    :)
     
  25. Bill S

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    #50 Bill S, Jun 19, 2009
    I calculate the empty weight, but thanks for the generous offer!
     
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