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  1. mk e

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    I know. I have no idea what the MS boys were thinking.....or smoking. It 's a sony so it was packaged as is. On XP changing the ports is -device manager - ports, making the change. I tried that on this and found Ports not there......but help sats it is. Maybe id didn't show becasue there was nothing pluged in....I hope.
     
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    Monday came and went with nothing from cam guy. I’ll call him at the end of the day today I guess if I don't hear anything.

    My new goal is to get the engine assembled by spring and there is a long way left to go so I really need to start closing action items......
     
  3. Pizzaman Chris

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    Yeah, give him a buzz.

    I hear he will be going on vacation for the Fourth and will be gone for a couple of weeks.
     
  4. mk e

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    DOH!!!!



    :D
     
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    When you've had enough from that guy: Jim Doure, Megacycle Cams, San Rafael, Ca. Does great work, has all the appropriate equipment, even makes cams for Ducatis, so you know he's good.

    Art
     
  6. mk e

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    I think you mentioned them way way back when I started thinking about cams. I think I looked into it and they were not set-up for the long 12 cyl cams…..I might not be remembering right though.

    I’m pretty sure Joe in now on my stuff but I’ll check back with megacycle if I decide to send them someplace else.
     
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    Hmmm, I'm feeling this project is going down the paths of 95% of projects ... ie: real life and lack of interest is getting in the way, and we are on the way to eBay add of half finished project ...

    Oh well ... it was massively optimistic :frown:
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    I think Mike is better than that, but I hear you.

    My own project went that path last year. And I think the TR with the chopper engine is going that path as well.
     
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    #2459 samsaprunoff, Jun 23, 2009
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    Good day Mke,

    As a designer and manufacturer of USB to Serial converters, I can tell you all are not made the same. A large number of Asian USB convertors are not made for the long haul and their drivers are "iffy" at best. Remember, a device driver is a trusted component within Windows and if its cranky (i.e poorly written), so will Windows be cranky/unstable.

    Also, the success of USB to Serial converters really lies with the software that you are using. In the 'ol days, software would write directly to the serial port hardware which was fine in the DOS days, but wreaked havoc with Windows for a number of reasons (writing to an incorrect hardware location could crash your computer and Windows). Later it became a programming standard to write to the serial ports through "interfaces" provided by Windows. This was good, as this way the software did not have to write to hardware and therefore minimized inadvertent crashes. Further, having Windows abstract the hardware allowed the changing of the com ports to whatever you wanted without having to open your computer and change dip switches, etc. The bad part is that this approach reduced the speed with which you could interact with your serial port, as Windows was always in the background doing stuff. That is why a number of low-cost CNC machines use DOS or Linux, etc for control, as the application can effectively take full control of your computer to do tasks that need to be done within a specific time...

    Where does this leave us? Well, a USB serial port actually emulates a serial port... or basically creates a virtual serial port. If a computer program is old or is not written using the standard programming methods, then a USB serial port will not work with this software... or at least not work reliably. So, if you do have an old program or one that is not written properly for Windows (Windows 2000, XP, etc) then your best best is to get a PCMCIA serial port, as this will create a real hardware serial port. There is no guarantee that this will work 100% of the time, but if it doesn't then the program is really poorly written and the fault here is with their software programmer and not Windows (it is rare for me to actually defend windows :) ).

    Anyway, I hope this explains things a little.

    Cheers,

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    Oh, don’t be like that. I told you there would be a delay of a couple months while I took care of other things on a list that was getting quite long. I’m been back in the shop for a couple weeks now, but I need to finish the EFI conversion that is going to pay for the cam grinding so that’s what I’ve been working on. It will be done in about 2 weeks I think. IT’s taken longer than planned because there was more to do than in the original plan……which means more money V12 parts but less V12 time.

    I think the engine needs another $8-$10K to get it assembled. Once the engine it together I will need another $6k-$10k to build headers, oil system, cooling system, fuel lines, finish a brake upgrade I started before I had the V12 idea and a few other things(I hope to god Lana doesn’t see this post). I’m not made of money so I’ve taken a couple little side jobs here and there as well as selling all the stuff I have an don’t need and that means less time.

    Don’t forget the project has gone quite a bit in scope since it started. It was supposed to be about a 550hp engine with stock liners, rods, cams, valves ect and mild porting. It’s got none of that now along with tons of other stuff that was supposed to be stock.

    In about 2 week I will be throwing the heads in the mill and and cutting all the ports to be like the test port. Then I will make billet inserts to seal the top and fill the bottom….followed by more beloved welding pics. I’ll be on the heads for about 3-4 months I’d guess because what I’ve decided to do is an obscene amount of work. Once the heads are done I’ll make the liners and order pistons. Then it will be about time to assemble the engine and trans.

    Patience.
     
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    Thanks Sam, that was very helpful....i don't know sh** about this stuff :)

    Today I ordered the express card Randy found, what do you think of that option?
     
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    With all the great input coming from people with electronics background and a clear interest in car I had a great idea…….you guys should put oyur heads together and build an ecu that will run this engine.

    There is an effort underway I found that appears to be on the right track . I can help with what’s important to the engine, but can be no help with anything else really. OK, go! :D

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?p=138754270#post138754270
     
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    Cam guy says Friday, Saturday at the latest.
     
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    Yes, but did he mention what month or year?

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    LOL!

    Sorry Mark, But fhat was a good one. :)
     
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    You b*stards!


    :)
     
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    Good day Mke,

    You are welcome!

    I think that express card should work fine. If you are still having troubles let me know (direct e-mail) and I can donate you one of my super duper Industrial USB convertors :)

    Also, I did see your post about a doing a custom EFI controller. It is too bad that I have so much one the go (75+ hours a week), as your project is quite straightforward and the technologies available are really incredible. The stuff one can do with the latest processors is really slick. In fact, one of my side projects is doing the advanced electronics on a custom $600K car... very cool stuff. I know that you are needing a solution soon, but if for some reason you are delayed until next Spring I would be happy to assist then.

    Cheers,

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    Sam,
    Thank you and I am delayed until next spring. Spring is when I HOPE the engine will be assembled the I will still need exhaust, fuel, oil, brakes and then electronics.

    Clearly I can go the multiple ECU path and that might be best...but multiples are a pain
     
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    It looks like there is another volunteer for the same timeline....now get over to the other thread and start designing :)
     
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    Mark,

    Have you checked out Electromotive lately? They changed the firm-ware on the tech3 so that it can run the injectors on a V12 sequentially which really improves performance and idle quality. The new tech3r features the capability to run 2 injectors "on each of the 8 injector drivers". Maybe they can modify the firm-ware on the Tech3r for sequential V12 operation. Paul Delatush (PAD on F-chat) is pretty familiar with electromotive software. You should talk to him.

    Wil
     
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    It's a 12 or 14 channel ecu, 8 fuel, 4 ignition and maybe a couple for other stuff so it doesn't have enough drivers to do what I want to do.....I'd need 4 of them. I never hear they ever had a 12 cyl sequential option but if you saw one they must have.
     
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    This is all great and all...I miss the pictures with cool stuff being welded and cut. ;)
     
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    Hacking and slashing.:p:p
     
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    Yep this thread is dying a slow and painful death. I have enough of this **** nerdy tech talk at work ... might have to delete my subscription, sorry ... ;)

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