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Max urged to stand for re-election

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  1. jknight

    jknight F1 Veteran

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    #1 jknight, Jun 28, 2009
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    from autosport this morning - I hate to say this, but, I've said in numerous threads that this would occur! now is FOTA screwed or will they have a get out clause and exercise it and have that breakaway series or has Max done the ultimate screw job to them??? Could this be pure bs on Max's part, possibly so, but possibly not - it wasn't in the prior time. I used to work for a school district where "he said, she said" was the norm among the first graders. This battle or whatever you wish to call it is far from over and the only resolve I see is for FOTA to respect the wishes of their fans and continue the apparently well laid plans of the new formula.....other wise, everybody just shut up. As time goes by even FOTA may start losing their fan base.

    Score for round three: Max 1 FOTA 0

    Carol



    FIA president Max Mosley has revealed that he is under pressure to stand for re-election from other members of the sport's governing body, after admitting that he does not expect to receive the apology he demanded from Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) president Luca di Montezemolo on Thursday.

    Mosley, speaking in an interview with the Mail on Sunday, said that while he would rather stand down in October, he was prepared to do whatever was required in the face of a potential conflict with Formula 1's car manufacturers.

    "They made the mistake of dancing on my grave before I was buried," Mosley told the newspaper. "It's no good the teams getting a PR agency to claim I am dead and buried when I am standing here as large as life. I am under pressure now from all over the world to stand for re-election.

    "I don't actually want to," he added. "I feel I am a little bit too old.

    "When I started I was old enough to be the father of the younger Formula 1 drivers; now I am old enough to be the grandfather of some of those driving today. Although I don't feel old, I must seem very old to them. It definitely needs somebody new from that point of view.

    "Generally, when you have done something for 16 years, as I have done, it's about time to stop. You get a little bit stale.

    "I do genuinely want to stop. But if there is going to be a big conflict with the car industry, for example, with the FOTA teams, then I won't stop. I will do whatever I have to do. It's not in my nature to walk away from a fight."

    Mosley, F1 rights holder Bernie Ecclestone and di Montezemolo announced a deal to end the row over budget caps and bring the threat of a breakaway series in 2010 to a close last Wednesday. At the time, Mosley said that he would not stand for re-election.

    But press briefings by FOTA team principals the following day angered Mosley, who felt that they had suggested he had been forced from office and labelled him a 'dictator'. He was also annoyed by suggestions that FIA Senate president Michel Boeri would assume his role in overseeing the FIA's F1 affairs until October.

    Mosley sent a letter to di Montezemolo demanding a public apology in Thursday's FOTA press conference, which was not forthcoming.

    "I don't really expect Luca will apologise or withdraw in the way that he should," Mosley told the newspaper. "Yet, on the other hand, within the motorsport world nobody takes him seriously. He's seen as what the Italians call a 'bella figura'.

    "He's chairman of Fiat but the serious individual who runs it is Sergio Marchionne, and I don't suppose he takes much notice of Luca.

    "When di Montezemolo comes out with things that are picked up internationally, when people in the UK, for example, read this, they tend to believe it," he added.

    "And when FOTA say all this nonsense about Boeri replacing me, that also tends to be believed. I think once we have all that put to bed and the teams come back to the deal we did, then I will be happy sticking with the deal we made. I am working on FIA matters from my office in Monaco. It is business as usual."

    Mosley dismissed suggestions that he acted like a dicator as 'nonsense', adding that decisions were taken by the World Motor Sport Council. He also revealed that he had privately made clear to them that he would stand down from office.

    "Complete lies have been told," said Mosley. "That was obviously very annoying and not just for me.

    "It has given the impression to the member clubs of the FIA that the car industry had dictated who the president could be and what the president should do. That caused uproar. Once a year we have a general assembly where all 132 countries belonging to the FIA endorse what has been done.

    "If someone is unhappy with what has been done, they would say so and we'd have a vote. I don't have the power to dictate. I only have the power to execute the decisions that the WMSC have taken."

    In the interview Mosley admitted that the past two years of his life had been very difficult. But he said that while the death of his son and last year's highly publicised sex scandal had taken their toll, he would not walk away from the FIA presidency while he perceived the organisation's independence to be under threat.

    "The past 16 months have been difficult," he admitted. "It is appalling if somebody takes some part of your life that you have always kept completely secret and puts it all over the front page of a newspaper. Yet, obviously, the death of my son was far worse. By comparison, my spats with di Montezemolo are trivial.

    "However, I do not want to leave the president's office in a way where it was suggested that people from the car industry had pushed me out. If that impression is not completely dispelled, the clubs are going to insist that I stand again.

    "So I hope very much that it will be dispelled before we get to that point. And when the time comes to hand all this to somebody else, it will not be with sadness, it will be with relief."
     
  2. LightGuy

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    As I see it this new time allows for FOTA to get its act together.
    The problem is not Max. Its not Bernie. Its not the FIA, FOM, or CVC group.
    Its a system that takes advantage of those who contribute the most to it. The teams.
    I fail to understand how these combined Billion dollar corporations/manufacturers allow themselves to be controlled by the whims of a few bureaucrats who have little to risk and little overhead but get 50% of the gross. Insane.

    Just like the car dealership down the street, all departments have to be profitable. Service and sales.
    Just as Mercedes, Toyota, BMW, etc will eventually have to make F1 racing a profit center. Or at least stop the blood loss. This can be done with agreed to cost caps and control of the revenue stream (mainly TV rights). Max's one good redeeming policy was/is cost caps.
    Like when mom forced you as a child to take your medicine.
    Somehow I dont think Max's intentions are quite so pure however the result is the same.
    I know for Ferrari and Mclaren this is a bitter pill as evidenced by this seasons results but in the long run it will make them healthier.
     
  3. VIZSLA

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    More gas from Max. Best ignored.
     
  4. jknight

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    It would be unwise to just say best ignored on this and here's why:

    In June 2004, Mosley announced he would step down from his position in October of that year, saying "I no longer find it either satisfying or interesting to sit in long meetings. I have achieved in this job everything I set out to. One month later, he rescinded his decision after the FIA Senate called for him to stay on.

    It seems as though history is repeating itself in 2009.

    Carol
     
  5. VIZSLA

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    But the context is rather different now.
     
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    #6 kraftwerk, Jun 28, 2009
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    Carol ..
    Mosley set for 2001 retirement
    Mosley heads off F1 'palace coup'
    Mosley to seek another term as president
    Mosley Will Stand For Re-election
    Mosley to give up FIA presidency in '05
    Mosley Will Not Seek Re-Election in 2005
    Mosley Could Stand for Re-election
    Mosley: It Would Have been Wrong to Quit
    No opposition for Mosley in FIA election
    Mosley plans quieter life in new term
    Mosley re-elected as FIA president
    Mosley not thinking of retirement yet
    Mosley won't stand for another term
    Mosley not ruling out staying at the FIA

    And now we have this!! ...Dave V is right ignore the pathetic rantings, that will send him even crazier! He is finished this time I'm sure.

    I really find it so funny he actually believes this, it really proves to me there is really no hope he will end up in a home for the mentally deranged.

    I mean what world are we talking about here... planet F-ing clueless..;)
     
  7. Tifoso1

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    I tend to agree with Vizsla in this case, I think the whole world knows that Maxzi needs to be removed from his post, effective immediately. IMO, he is doing more damage to the sport with his "All is well/The sky is falling" attitude. FOTA is tired of him, fans are tired of him and I highly suspect that both Bernie and FIA are tired of him as well. I am not sure if what Maxzi is saying now will carry a lot of wind anymore. I think FIA/Bernie all knows that it is either FOTA or Maxzi, I think they will be wise enough to pick FOTA over Maxzi in the end.
     
  8. tifosi12

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    +1

    His reign of terror is over.
     
  9. VIZSLA

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    Thank you all for the outpouring of support:)
    Luca's initial magnanimous statement set the right tone and while it is too bad that it wasn't followed up in kind I suspect that Mad Max wouldn't have shut up no matter what had been said.
     
  10. Jack-the-lad

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    Gosh, who could have possibly seen *this* coming......
     
  11. DGS

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    Yet more of Max being Max.

    "I'm not being pushed out! They love me, they really really love me! Really! That bus isn't going to run me over!" ;)
    (Does FIA's health insurance cover mental health treatment?)

    Why would it be surprising that Max is ranting against a deal that consists of tossing Max out?
    Max is no longer a "credible source".

    Bernie really ought to have a chat with this motor mouth.
    Given the stresses on Max in recent years, you could almost feel sorry for him.
    But he needs to work this out on a couch in a quiet office, not at press conferences.


    I realized last night during the IndyCar Richmond race: F1 has gotten so pathetic that I'm actually watching oval track races.
     
  12. kraftwerk

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    agreed
    Err No!
    I'd prefer gagged, permanently.

    Hell not that bad surely...;)
     
  13. Far Out

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    I really wonder who "urges" him to stay... the image I have in mind is a bunch of fat guys with sunglasses and golden Rolexes on their wrists who managed to become FIA delegates because they're somehow related to the guy who squeezes out their third world home country while they eat lobster and think about which hooker to order today... can't think of anyone else to benefit from Max being in office ;)
     
  14. Isobel

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    Wasn't that the WORST ! No changes in position for only about 150 laps or so. 17 second laps! No wonder I was getting queasy, the drivers probably won't eat for a few days, ...;).
     
  15. jknight

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    Even the drivers said it was an awful race....I just saw bits on live timing....Scott Dixon reportedly was happy about the victory but less than happy about the way it was won....apparently there's been problems with several races now.

    Carol
     
  16. thecheddar

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    Same here. Given the lack of transparency in the organization and all of Max's colossal mis-steps, it strikes me as a big scheme run by Mosley himself.

    Regardless, I can't take this anymore. Love the sport as I do, this Mosley childishness has taken so much of the fun out of it. It's hard to be passionate about something that is essentially having its strings pulled by an imbecile.

    I honestly think there's a measure of mental illness involved with him. That's not meant to be an insult (I do that elsewhere) -- It's just impossible to not see his pathos on full display when he behaves like a child.
     
  17. DGS

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    It's even worse: I think I'm beginning to understand oval races. ;)
    (Take a left turn at the absolute limits of traction. Repeat 1200 times. :p)

    Almost all the passing was in the pits. (Where have I heard that complaint before? ;))

    Dario even apologized to the fans for the ending, in his post-race interview.
    (30 laps for him to contest the win with Scott, and they got hung up behind slower traffic, and couldn't really pass in that salad bowl.)
    And here I thought it was just (F1) Rule 1: never bang wheels with your teammate. ;)

    Next week: The Glen! Now *that* I gotta watch. :)
     
  18. regaliaconcours

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    Max is definitely tripp'n these days. Only a few days ago he himself said the teams had wanted him out and they were going to have it that way, his own words, his own impression, so now he's upset because everybody else may have that same impression......:) I'd really love to see FOTA do their own thing, bury Max, Bernie and the FIA all in one shot. I know there are those who think it would be to difficult, but I'm of the opinion that if BE can do it, then the combined where with all of the manufacturers should be able to manage the task fairly easily. If a breakaway series were to develope they would ALL be pulling on the same end of the rope(at least to establish the series), which makes the job that much easier. I would also NEVER bet against LDM, he is and has been a masterful business man as well as shrewd politician who knows how to get things done.....
     
  19. VIZSLA

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    The voices in his head.
    Let's hope that's all they tell him to do.
     
  20. F&M racing

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    When we will see the last of Max is when he'll being pushing up daisies, unfortunately I think even the daisies don't want nothing to do with him either. The sooner we can get this idiot out of the picture the better for the sport. I really think this guy is losing it!
     
  21. TurboFreak650

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    Too bad they didn't drive a stake through his heart before declaring him gone. Bloodsuckers like Max aren't easy to kill. :eek:
     
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    Fixed it for ya.

    I want Balestre back.
     
  23. DGS

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    That's the problem. Max has been possessed by Balestre's ghost. ;)

    That might be a good tag-line for the soap opera from all this: Replace a tin-plated dictator, and become one yourself.
     
  24. Modeler

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    More likely its -

    His daddy admired a volatile, ultimately self-destructive dictator that left his world in ruins.

    Seeking his father's approval has led to this.
     
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    I pray that you are right!
     

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