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does anyone know this Mondial?

Discussion in 'Mondial' started by teegeefla, Jul 11, 2009.

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  1. teegeefla

    teegeefla Formula Junior
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  2. JF308

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    #2 JF308, Jul 11, 2009
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    Don't know that one Tom, but a couple of things about the t cabs.

    1) They are wonderful cars. 300 HP Performance and sound, nice bridge between the older Ferrari's and a touch of the newer technology with the power steering and shocks, dry sump, and upgraded interior dash from pre-89's. Some of the 328 looks, and classy with the top up or down -- and the four seats are a big plus in many cases.

    2) The 89's are the only years without the knee bolsters, and over shoulder center seatbelts. So that might be a consideration for you if you are looking for all the knee room you can get.

    3) I am sure that you know the drill on low mileage cars which have not been driven regularly...just save a few pennies for when you start to shake out the hidden gremlins which even a PPI wont find. They will be there.

    from the photos, this one appears in nice condition, and priced right in my opinion. Comparatively, I have mine for sale at $39.9 with 20K miles, driven every week -- year round, and as I said they are great cars, and every bit Ferrari. Never failed to start, or left me stranded anywhere. As far as exotics go, kinda a nice experience. I would have asked in the upper $40's to $50K last year, so anything around $40K with the right miles seems good to me. There are still a few on FCHat at the higher price levels. These are very nice cars, and the t cabs have not been hammered pricewise, per se.

    (in fact, I almost wonder why this one is priced where it is from a dealer or consignment . If it has not had a major in recent past, then you are looking at $7K plus gremlins. Thats my guess here since they've provided no details on service history, etc.).

    Let me know if you want to discuss the t experience. would be happy to speak to you about it. (I owned a 308 previously, and have driven may other models to compare to).

    You are always welcome to check mine out. Summers in Colorado are very nice for a test drive in the mountains!

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vbclassified.php?do=ad&id=1471

    Regards, and best of luck. John
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  3. ricksb

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    Agree with JF308. I'm 6'4" and could not drive the Mondial t's after 1989. That knee-shelf is a royal p.i.t.a. The '89 has more than enough room though.
     
  4. teegeefla

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    thanks for the input...I did not know about the knee bolsters. I have been told that the car has recently had the belt service but I will get the specifics.
     
  5. JF308

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    Recommendation: Ask to see any detailed receipts from the "belt service". There are MANY interpretations of what a belt service means...., and in some cases, some folks may even have just tried to change the belts through the rear access panel, and not drop the engine or replace the tensioners. I guess that might sound like a belt change to some.

    A full engine out service including belts/tensioners should be a well documented, receipted event. Photos too, and cost $7K or more dependent on what else they felt needed addressing. If they cannot provide that, you can assume that it needs to be re-done in my opinion. Last service on my car including the engine out, new clutch/flywheel service, belts and tensioners, etc was $11K at a very reputable shop (Moorespeed in Austin).

    Not saying that it wasn't done properly...just make sure. That is a large part of the pricing these days. Assuming a 3-4 year major service interval.

    The other consideration is often time, versus mileage since the full, engine out major. This is where a well driven car is often a bit more desireable than a garage queen with no miles since the major. Belts take on the shape of the tensioners and can move abit, gaskets dry out, and stuff starts to seep when you go through a couple heat cycles again. Drive these cars, and you will all be a bit happier in the end.
     
  6. JF308

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    #6 JF308, Jul 13, 2009
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    You can see the knee bolsters in the photos. Probably a couple of inches or less. (not a concern to me at 5'9", but might make a difference).

    The larger issue from my perspective (which is why I, and many choose an '89) is that the seat belt configuration is really awkward. The driver seatbelt comes from the center of the rear console area, over the right shoulder of the driver, left shoulder of the passenger). You can sometimes see them in the photos if you look closely. 1989 t cabs have the normal over the left shoulder (driver) config, and nothing coming from the backseat area.

    Here is a photo from the listing....
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  7. CliffBeer

    CliffBeer Formula 3

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    Tom, if you're big the mondial is definitely the car for you. I have a 3.2 cab and a 308. The 308 was made for a 5'9" italian guy whereas the mondial can easily accommodate a 6'+ guy. The cab is great for access with the top down - very easy to get in and out (not so with the 308 and the top in place). The driver seat goes way back so you'll have lots of leg room.

    You'll love your mondial - wonderful car.
     
  8. ZiFF

    ZiFF Formula Junior

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    those seat belts in the 90 and above are ridiculous, and were a deal buster for me.

    I ended up getting a 3.2 because there were a lot of things about the T I didn't like. Power steering, power brakes, ABS, electric shocks are all things I did NOT want. Heck, I'd prefer to have roll up windows instead of electric. After reading about the 348 transmission issues in the 348 section, that was another thing I did not want. I prefer the 3.2 fenders and side vents better, too. I paid probably "too much" for my arguably "best in the world" original 3.2, but have been very happy with it.

    so if you are looking for a mondial, be sure to do your research and figure out what you want! Although they all look kind of the same at first glance, there were an amazing amount of changes made from the early 2 valves to the end-of-the-line T.

    these are fun, under-appreciated Ferraris. good luck with your search!
     
  9. ZiFF

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    p.s. be very careful and skeptical when you are looking, and get a professional inspection. There are a LOT of shady Mondials and dishonest sellers out there.
     
  10. oliv928

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    take care if electrical system has been modified, and if the alarm is well installed. check every function of the car even they seem non important. everything is electrical powered in the mondial, so a lot of things to check. mine has been severly modified and it is a nightmare now to make evrything work correctly. always have in mind that electrical equipement is not very good in ferraris, and especially in the mondial. my car was cheap and now i know why...
     

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