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Merged: Bugatti T22 Brescia #2461 recovered from Lago Maggiore

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  1. Stefan Dierkes

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    Must be a typo, I think it is a T23.
     
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    Thank you for the correction. I am no Bugatti specialist and mixed it up.
     
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    Me neither, but the T13 was the first real production Bugatti from around 1912 or so and I found this picture a while back while looking for old Bugattis. It is a T23 Brescia and I think the "lake-car" looks identical.
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    I have a sneaking suspicion that this is probably a repost somewhere. I did a search and found nothing so here it is...

    Bugatti lifted from the bottom of Lago Maggiore
    Written by Michiel van den Brink, 14 July 2009
    Bugatti Brescia Lago Maggiore

    For over 70 years a Bugatti has been lying on the bottom of Lago Maggiore near Ascona, Switzerland. Last Sunday the Ascona Life Guard Society lifted the wreckage from a depth of more than fifty metres. It appeared to be a Brescia.

    The Bugatti seemed to be in a relatively good shape and is currently on display before eventually being auctioned in favour of the Fondazione Damiano Tamagni. You can see by the absence of bodywork on one side she's been lying on her right side.
    Bugatti Brescia Lago Maggiore

    How the Brescia ended up on the bottom of the lake is not exactly known. Bugatti expert Mr. Hans Matti has been able to find out that this Bugatti dates from April 11, 1925 and was first delivered in Nancy, France. According to Heinz Müller, spokesman of the Damiano Foundation, a Swiss dealer had ordered three cars from Bugatti, but only two buyers had payed the import taxes. Eventually the third 'taxfree' car got somehow submerged in the lake.

    The coachbuilder-tag reads: "Emaille". Unfortunately, this name is unknown to us...
    Anyone?

    http://www.coachbuild.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=150&Itemid=1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5lL9d-Nuqc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq4CW-qMzxw
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    Very cool!
     
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    Coming to a Concours de Elegance near you! ;)
     
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    That's quite a find.
     
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    Yes that is very cool!!
     
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    Strong patina...
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    wow! great post.
     
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    Anyone familiar with the coachbuilder "Emaille"?
     
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    This is Great!
     
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    What a find!
     
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    That had to be a nerve wracking moment when the whole car was out of the water and the full weight of it was supported by the straps. The chances of it just crumbling and falling apart had to be pretty high.
     
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    Seems to me the 'nerve wracking moment' was when it went INTO the water!
     
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    Who knew! A Bugatti underwater.


    It does appear that the factory rust preventative treatment expired. :D
     
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    Any news?

    Did some research last night and found nothing on "Emaille" which translates to Enamel right? Anyway, if you have any more clues we will hit the books to see if we can find anything more about the car.

    Here is a shot of my daughter thumbing through some of the 5000+ historical auto books stashed away for research like this!

    Cheers
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    From the look of the car (worn and missing tires) it may have been a wreck before going for a swim. In 1925 it wouldn't have been a rare, valuable treasure. There are many old cars that end up discarded in ponds and lakes. It is unique only in it's marque.

    A restoration will be a significant task (opportunity of a lifetime, perhaps) but considering the hand-made nature of the original car, far from insurmountable. I expect within a couple years we will see it reborn.
     
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    From Classic Driver:

    http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/magazine/3300.asp?id=14253

    "A 1925 Type 13 Brescia Bugatti has recently been recovered from Lake Maggiore, in northern Italy. The car has lain submerged since 1937, when its then-owners abandoned it rather than pay the punitive import duties of the time."

    Frankly, those of us living in California now usually drive our cars into lakes when we're not using them. The car tax here doubled recently.
     
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    The coach work seems unique as well making this a potentially exciting find!

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    What value would the car have if restored restored properly?
     
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    Comment on the YouTube video:

    "In the 1920's a trader has imported 3 of theese beauties into switzerland. 2 of the cars got to their new owners but the last owner disappeared. the car, (an T22 Brescia Modifiée) had a high import tax wich the trader never paid. After many years of waiting, the goverment decided to take and throw it into the lake of Maggiore in 1937."


    Awesome post! I want to see this thing after it's been restored! :)
     
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