Hello Hamilton Fans ???

With his poor attitude, the only titles he will receive is cry baby. I expect him to be moving on very soon to NASCAR. It would be fun to see the NASCAR boys punt him into the infield.

 

Car setup is critical in NASCAR ... he couldn't do it.

But if somebody else set it up for him, I will concede that he would be fast and atleast have a go at passing!
Pete

 

I dont like hamilton from what i've seen from him, but that doesn't make him a **** driver. He is one of the very best currently in F1, face it.

 

How much setup can you really do?

People complain about F1 being too restrictive, but F1 is CanAm compared to NASCAR (even if Mad Max gets ALL his wishes). There was a show on Speed the other day where they showed the trailer of a NASCAR team and the reporter was impressed with the collection of springs. Big effen deal.

 

Nascar has never been about the car. Despite what a lot of fans like to think, F1 is at least as much about the car as it is about the driver.

 

I believe it is more complicated than you think. Because the cars are all exactly the same minor setup changes make all the differences. It's like Formula Ford in that respect.

On a different tangent there is a heck of a lot of skill that goes in to building a NASCAR motor, because you are making something do something that it was not designed to do, thus the engine builders in NASCAR are better than F1 engine builders, who simply put the engine together as the designer intended. NASCAR engine builders on the other hand have hundreds of little tricks.

Anyway I'm no fan, but I cannot see LH surviving in NASCAR, his aggression (the only good point about him) would have been sorted by a couple of bumps into the concrete wall by now . The only reason LH's aggression has got him somewhere is because drivers like Senna and MS have retired ... both of those drivers if LH had tried to scare them would have spat him off into the wall, really hard. But please note this part of LH I like, but it takes a soft "other" driver to get away with these moves.
Pete

 

Agree, except F1 is 80% about the car.

It takes years to win in NASCAR as there are millions of tricks to learn, and remember they are all exactly the same so it is all about setup and strategy, etc. F1 atleast allows you to design a better car.
Pete

 

I was intentionally vague so as not to offend those who think the WDC is more important than the WCC.

 

Whoa!

I think you're giving NASCAR way too much credit.

It is a stock car series. Plain and simple. Most of the races are run on ovals.

 

It is . The manufacturer gets more credit from the fact that the WDC drove their car than winning the WCC.

Pete

 

Think about it, seriously. An F1 engine builder is just an assembler. The credit goes to the engine designer ... nothing hard about putting an engine together. A NASCAR engine builder on the other had has to modify the engine, flow the ports, decide which pistons to run, which rods, destress the block, etc. ... because it is a stock engine it has to be made into a race engine. The F1 engine is already designed for optimum everything ... they just get assembled.

True regarding ovals, but remember Mansells comment about racing on ovals ... the hardest thing he had to learn. It's boring as having a **** to watch, but it is very hard on cars and driver.

Pete

 

Well put.

 

You almost had me for a moment there but your separation between F1 engine builder and designer is misleading.
F1 has no engine builders like nascar. An F1 engine supplier designs and builds unique F1 engines consistantly.

 

Correct. But would you rather put together and F1 engine or build a NASCAR engine?

I imagine after assembling 5 F1 engines you would be over it (would be like putting together a Toyota Corolla engine), but after 5 NASCAR engine builds it would still be interesting and challenging, looking for that extra 2 hp, etc.

Now working as the developer of a F1 engine would be one cool job ... although now they are all pretty much the same as bore and stroke set thanks to bore centres being controlled by rules ... .
Pete

 

I don't get why people base their opinion on DRIVERS over a snippet of something they said in autosport. The fact is Lewis makes F1 more exciting. You know he's gonna go for it, and he's damn quick. That's pretty much as far as my opinion goes of him, awesome driver and love to watch him race. I don't really care what pr bs a driver says.

 

What was said in autosport?

Pete

 

I get your underlying thought that a spec series is more competitive and the driver counts for more. No argument there. If you take that example to an extreme you could say that gokart races are the hardest because there is even less technology/setup to play with than in a stock NASCAR. Trouble is, that F1 drivers exactly came from that competitive pool and emerged to become the best.

 

I'm sure the employee I read about that worked 36 hours straight at the McLaren factory to get those aero upgrades out to him appreciated his comments...

 

If they want to be angry, they should be angry at Webber who ruined Hamilton's race by slicing his tire.

 

You realize that Webber apologized for the incident taking the blame on himself?

PS: I'm neither a Hamilton nor Webber fan. Couldn't care less about either winning or loosing.

 

Oh God! Andreas, are you actually replying to this Troll?
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Completely and utter ridicoulous statement. In fact you win the most ridicoulous post of the year.

The only thing this thread has proved, is that you are not alone with a big mouth, and an opinion nobody cares about.

 

lots of childish kids on here. If someone starts a debate about a driver they are a troll. If someone doesn't like a driver they are pretty much stupid. If someone likes him they are blinded by love. (I Know it wasn't excatly stated but you get my drift). People are always gonna have different views but I can't see what you are all so staunch about or so quick to pounce. Let it go lads. We all have different tastes.
For what it's worth I don't think Hamilton is as good as people are saying he is. He had a fantastic car and team behind him but found wanting this year. I also think he has serious attitude issues and up his on arse but i can glady accept that I may be biased against him because living here in Ireland with lots of british tv and media he is shoved down our throats. Him and his grumpy looking father!! I never want to see him in a ferrari but thats my opinion and i make no apology for thinking there are better guys on the grid than him. Now if you don't like my opinion, TOUGH!!

 

LMAO>>What's on your mind? If you'll forgive the overstatement.