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1994 348 Spider Timing belt question

Discussion in '348/355' started by Mortacci, Jul 17, 2009.

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  1. grigio tr

    grigio tr Rookie

    Jan 30, 2008
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    Indeed,i took the 2 cambelt top covers off to inspect the condition of the belt and my eyes nearly popped out!..booked it in

    straight away!
     
  2. Dr_ferrari

    Dr_ferrari Formula 3
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    Nov 2, 2003
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    Jim McGee
    I know lane, its like a car crash, don`t want to see it but just have to look....

    Regards, Jim
     
  3. troy_wood

    troy_wood Formula 3

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    It would be nice to hear some feedback on guys that have had belt failure - how many have seen piston damage?....
     
  4. PassionIsFerrari

    PassionIsFerrari Formula 3

    Aug 15, 2004
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    Belt Faluire Here...

    Mine happened at about 7 years and 21k miles...The tensioner bearing inner race seperated from the outer race and melted itself into the timing cover...

    The damage report was a crap load of bent valves...Pistons were dinged at the top but no damage, bottom half of the motor was good...When it lets go you want those valve stems to bend, because the alternative is them breaking. If they break, buh bye cylinder walls and hello complete teardown...

    Anyway, mine required replacing the valves or the heads all and all...Not pretty... Price forced me to sell the car...

    Change the belt....
     
  5. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

    May 21, 2005
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    ...and the tensioner bearings...with Hill Engineering replacements.

    I'd have to check my notes, but your numbers sound similar to mine...maybe 7 years and 25k miles when a broken black plastic shard from a timing belt cover momentarily jammed into a cam pulley hole long enough for my timing belt to skip 2 teeth on the exhaust side and 1 tooth (don't ask me how it was asymmetrical because I have no easy answer) on the intake side.

    This caused a noise similar to sticking a poker card into a moving bicycle wheel. Brrrrrrrat. That was at startup inside my own garage. The car still drove, by the way. Smoked like all getout, though! Put out smog like a Naval Destroyer's smoke screen and backfired.

    Trivial dings on pistons. No bent valves ( I say that, but I remember price checking 348 valves so maybe I did need a couple and just can't remember clearly). 16 bent exhaust valve guides, however. Intake valves and valve guides were fine.

    Cost me a grand to get the heads machined. $5k+ for various parts (lots of gaskets and seals, a rebuilt water pump from the eBay guy who probably gets them from the Mississippi guy, new belts, valve guides, etc.). I splurged on metal timing belt covers to replace the shattered, hyper-brittle black plastic ones from Ferrari's late-model "upgrade" mistake. This would not be something that needs replacing on every 348, so you could save a grand or so here.
     
  6. Saint Bastage

    Saint Bastage F1 Rookie

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    #31 Saint Bastage, Jul 20, 2009
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    Shemp and Passion brought up the tensioner bearing. Thought you might like to see mine. Notice the "seal" or lack there of. Your not supposed to be able to see the balls. This was after 6 years and 7000 miles from its last Major. Looks like I got there without much time left ehh.

    You might also appreciate the plastobomb casing. Just one shot of many bad covers. Still looking for metal cases for the next major. They are mighty hard to find.
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  7. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    You may have had a year left before the self-destruction mode was activated!
     
  8. Saint Bastage

    Saint Bastage F1 Rookie

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    Oh contrare...I believe the self destruct mode was already activated...It just had a long count down. Luck we cut the correct wire. (Its always the blue one)
     
  9. troy_wood

    troy_wood Formula 3

    Apr 28, 2007
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    Do you remember the ballpark rpm at breakpoint?
     
  10. Mortacci

    Mortacci Rookie

    Jul 15, 2009
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    Minnnesota
    Thanks for all the input. Well I could go it myself if it wasn't for the fact that I need to pull the motor. But I would like to investigate doing it myself. Are there any step by step instructions out there? I think I could handle it this winter in my garage.


    Thanks evervone.

    Mortacci.
     
  11. Saint Bastage

    Saint Bastage F1 Rookie

    Jun 1, 2007
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    Where are you located. Many of us Ferrari junkies get a little strung out during the winter months when our cars hibernate. Passing tools to a fellow junkie under the car helps dull the pain. So does Beer.
     
  12. Mortacci

    Mortacci Rookie

    Jul 15, 2009
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    I'm in Minnesota. I'll have plenty of hibernation time during the winter.
     
  13. PassionIsFerrari

    PassionIsFerrari Formula 3

    Aug 15, 2004
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    No, because I wasnt driving the car at the time...but it was on the highway at about 80 so i would guess somewhere around 4k...
     

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