GTS Rubber cockpit trim

Does anyone know where I can buy the rubber trim that goes round the door openings and over the roof in a 246GTS '73 model.
I previously bought some from GT Car Parts in Pheonix but have just checked with Dave and he is out of it!!
Thanks fpor your help
Regards

dave

 

Dave, Can you post apicture of the profile of this rubber as knowing what a perfectionist you are i am suspicious of mine being the correct type now.
Regards, Graham.

 

Graham
Sorry about the delay but I thought I might meet you yesterday at the FOC at kettering.
In the three photos it is the trim on the left in the first photo which I am looking for. The trim on the right is often found but stands up proud of the targa top when fitted.

Regards
Dave
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Dave, No i did'nt go to the meeting my car is almost but not quite finished(only got the engine back Thursday) My trim is inncorrect as suspected and as i havent tried fitting the roof yet i havent spotted this problem. And now i think about it i still have some of this old type that i removed originally and then bought the round type as was told it was a direct replacement.....obviously not!
Regards, Graham.

 

If you are talking about what is known as the Inner Door Seal that on a GTS goes all around the door openings and then over the top of the windshield header, then Dennis McCann has it - I just order some from Norma, Dennis's wife. You will need a little over 27 feet. They sell it by the meter so you will need 9 meters at $14.50/meter, total is $130.50 U.S. You can call them in Westerville, OH at 614/855-1103 or fax them at 614/855-2850. If instead you are talking about the Targa top Seal for the GTS, they also have it for both the right side and the left side. It is $225 per side. They also have the rain gutter pieces for the targa tops. Norma told me that someone apparently hacked their website - allferrariparts.com - about a month ago and somehow the site reset itself to parts availability and prices of a few years ago, so you can't rely on the website for availability and prices. As with everything else, increasing scarcity and increases prices are the rule. For me, Norma has always been very efficient to deal with.

Also, you might try World Upholstery in Santa Paula, CA as they also have apparently the seals listed on their website - http://www.worlduph.com/ferrari.htm - I just order a carpet kit from them today and asked them about the seals.

I hope this helps -

Mark

 

Thanks Mark!
I also found a supply in UK at CO Baines. It has the same profile as the original but is slightly smaller. I have bought a length of this and will try it out and report back
Dave

 

Dave, Have you tried the C O Baines seal yet? Just fitted my roof tonight and same problem with the seal sitting proud....Does the same piece go from the bottom of each door front door pillar? Also i havelooked at my side screen seals and they appear to long! anyone else had this? and also i dont know if i have them the right way round. Perhaps Dave or someone else could post a photo of their targa top?
The other thread running on here relating to the bushes for these roofs is not getting a lot of responce either....come on guy's
Regards, Graham.
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Graham
I am travelling at the moment will respond when I get home.
Dave

 

OK Graham, here are some pictures of my trim, further pictures to follow
It looks like you may have to move the door glass seal forward a little at the front and if I remember correctly when I fitted mine I virtually fixed each end where I wanted it to be and then compressed the length of the middle section to fit in between these fixed ends. Does that make sense??
Dave
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Graham, That's some fine-looking mousehair on your GTS's dash! Fred

 

Of the three rubber seal sections shown in the photograph
C is the one on your car I think, I had this on my car for some years but this gives an unsightly upstand at the front of the targa top
B is the section which I think is correct and is shown on the phot of the roof of my car, however I bought this in October last year from GT Car parts in Pheonix. I think this may have been the last of some old stock as they no longer have any in stock. Unfortunately being old stock it has already "perished" at the back of the drivers door and the rubber has parted from the metallic strip.
A is the one I have sourced as closest match from the sections produced by CO Baines in UK. I think it imay be a bit too small and have not yet got around to fitting it so cannot give positive advice.
You need around 28 ft of this trim, from the States it is around $ 290 plus p & p, the stuff from Baines is around £ 2 per metre !!
If this is not correct when I fit it I have spoken to Matt at ReOriginals in Dallas and he claims to have the correct material, has anyone else purchased this material from this source??
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Thanks Fred, Superformance UK supplied.

 

Dave, Thanks for coming back to me.
Busy day yesterday, Car started up for first time in nearly 5 years! set up all selector shafts in gearbox and all seemed good,bottom casing fitted, filled with oil, put on ground and jumping out of first! The joys of Dino ownership.......

Back to roofs, Could you post some close up photos of your roof off the car by any chance? I suspect i may have the two rain drip rails on the wrong sides and also i need to see exactly where the seals sit.
Also what type of adhesive did you use as this rubber does not like my Evostick contact adhesive.
So judging by the lenght of seal you mention (28 feet) you employ the same seal all the way round the cockpit?
Finally nobody has chimed in on the thread regarding the nylon bushing for the targa top. ie the two on the header rail and the two behind your head on the closing brackets. Are they available anywhere???
Kindest regards, Graham.

 

Graham
The 28ft is the overall length, the general consensus seems to be that the seal is cut in the bottom front corner of the door on either side, so you have one length of seal over windscreen and the other length passes along bottom of door opening up the rear of door aperture over the rear of the roof and then over the other side in the same way
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Graham
Congratulations on the start up I can imagine the excitement!!
Hope these help
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Dave, Thanks for the photo's.
I need to replace the rubber coated metal trim peices that go between the roof rails and the thick roof to top of door glass seals....don't know whether or not they are available.
Until i can source these i cant do much.
Is the shot of your header rail with the new CO Baines seal?
Are the nylon inserts front and rear of the roof aperture available?
Regards, Graham.

 

Dave,
Tell me about that Dino sticker on your windscreen. 'don't believe I've seen one like that before.
Coop

 

It reads Nick Cartwright.... Well known restoration company of Dino's in the UK. I believe they did Dave's bodywork....he will confirm.
Nick no longer restores these cars to sell as he say's it is financially unviable due to the man hours required. Although you can still commission his company for your own car.
They do however sell a lot of used Ferrari's.
Graham

 

Graham,
If all checks out at the gearbox & linkage (ensure that the turnbuckle is adjusted right for the proper fore & aft 'throw')

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93426,

make sure that the shifter lever is not contacting the shifter gate and preventing full engagement of 1st gear. I had to 'relieve' mine & my friend's just a tad. That's all it took

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70700

to allow the little balls to drop into the detents, signalling full engagement of the gears: No more popping out of gear.

Thanks to our dearly departed friend, John Corbani, for both of the above references. In the 70700 Saga, John mentions relieving the second gear slot in the gate; the same works for gate interference when selecting any gear. Unless you've rebuilt/replaced everything involved in gear selection, you may have to resort to modifying the gate to make up for wear that cannot be 'adjusted out.'

Before you grind on the gate, select 1st gear, then remove both screws & see if you can pull the lever any further & feel positive engagement of the detents. If so, fire her up & see if she'll stay in first as you pull away. If so, massage the gate & reattach.

'not too pure, but it may just fix the problem.
Coop

 

Three stickers top to bottom
top is Ferrari Club of America, I came over to the concours at Indianapolis a few years ago and joined your Club
Middle is FOC UK
Bottom is a tax disc holder given out by Nick Cartwright who as Graham says did the bodywork on my car about 12 years ago
Regards
Dave

 

Is the shot of your header rail with the new CO Baines seal?
Are the nylon inserts front and rear of the roof aperture available?
Regards, Graham.

a. No I havent fitted that yet too busy with DIY in the house!!!!!
b. Dont Know

Dave

 

Thanks for that, gents.
Good luck with your main ventures.
Coop

 

I was going through all the old seals taken off my car and this piece originally went across the top of the windshield.
Dave or anybody with a GTS, Is this the profile needed to prevent the seal pinching and raising above the roofline when the targa top is fitted?
Mind you if it is correct, then i have to find a supplier.
G P
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Graham

The answer really is I dont know.
I showed a photo comparing the three sections known to me earlier in this thread.
Section C is the one that was fitted to my car when it was restored and I believe it is the same section shown in the photos of your car. This I believe to be wrong as when you put the top on it pinches up the rubber at the front edge of the top and forms an upstand of around 8 mm which is unsightly and wrong.
I replaced this with the section B which fits perfectly but unfortunately the length of material I had was probably very old and very soon perished.
The third section A is the new length purchased from CO Baines in UK. If I can earn enough "brownie points" this weekend with my in house DIY I will try a section and advise the results.
I believe that the "original correct sections are available in US and from comparison of your old trim and my section B which was sold as original I would guess that this section B is in fact correct.
Rgds
Dave