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Can Jenson win another race?

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  1. ATBNM3

    ATBNM3 Formula 3

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    Jenson has won 6 races, this as Ferrari and McLaren have languished at the back of the pack. Due to the testing ban it has taken the Supreme Duo 10 races to find their footing and become competitive. Now they have and does Jenson stand a chance with such low performance’s lately?

    I think Jenson's bid for the WDC is almost lost and I don't see him on the podium much less the top step.
     
  2. Jack-the-lad

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    If there is more to be had from the cars Ross Brawn will find it. All JB has to do is finish ahead of the Red Bulls, not necessarily win.
     
  3. jk0001

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    He has as good a chance as any of the other top teams.
     
  4. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Yes he can and most probably will do, IIRC Andreas read a piece/report on BrawnGP that they have worked out where they were going wrong in the development of the car, so we we shall see.
    JB BBC..Championship leader Jenson Button is confident Brawn have resolved his car's problems in time to reignite his title charge at Sunday's European Grand Prix.

    As regards to him losing the WDC, the way I see it: if Mclaren and Ferrari start winning, this will help JB by keeping points of his main threats Webber and Vettel.

    1 GB J Button 70
    2 Aus M Webber 51.5
    3 Ger S Vettel 47
    4 Brz R Barrichello 44
    5 Ger N Rosberg 25.5
    6 Ita J Trulli 22.5
    7 Brz F Massa 22
    8 GB L Hamilton 19

    Webber and Vettel need wins, and RB needs to decide which one is going to be the #1 challenger...not that I like that sort of thing.

    It should shape up to be a real good last half of the season.
     
  5. barbazza

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    Does this mean that Jim will finally start saying "Go Hamilton" for Button's sake? :D
     
  6. jk0001

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    I've always been telling Hambone to Go!
     
  7. kraftwerk

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    When hell freezes over ..;)

    LOL GO Hamutton
     
  8. kraftwerk

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    Here is the whole article from the BBC..

    Championship leader Jenson Button is confident Brawn have resolved the car's problems in time to reignite his title charge at Sunday's European Grand Prix.

    A lack of pace has seen him off the podium in the last three races and his championship lead cut to 18.5 points.

    "We know where we went wrong and hopefully those issues are now resolved," said Button.

    "The car is not bad, we just went in the wrong direction but we can pick up pace and be strong again."

    Button's title charge has stuttered since he won the Turkish Grand Prix in early June.

    Cool conditions saw the Englishman finish sixth at the British GP and fifth in Germany but when he followed that with a season-low seventh under sunny skies in Hungary team boss Ross Brawn commissioned an audit to find out why the car had so drastically lost performance.

    There has been a lot of work going on and we understand the car more than we did two races ago. So it is looking positive

    Jenson Button
    Despite a two-week break on car development agreed among all teams on the grid, Button is confident that staff at the team's Brackley base have had enough time to turn things around for this weekend.

    "There has been a lot of work going on and we understand the car more than we did two races ago. It is looking positive," the 29-year-old said.

    "I spoke to my race engineer Andrew Shovlin on Monday and we went over step-by-step through the season where we've gone with the car mechanically.

    "We thought through everything - the ride height, the weight distribution, and the mechanical set-up - and we saw a bit of a trend.

    "So we think we know some of the reasons for our issues, especially with tyre temperature."

    Button pinpointed Brawn's inability to heat up their tyres to the optimum working temperatures, especially in cooler weather, as the key cause in their performance decline.

    The team are also understood to have highlighted problems with the car's suspension, for which new parts are being brought to Valencia.

    Button believes the team are capable of returning to the front of the grid even if Valencia's steamy temperatures drop off over the weekend.

    "If you can't get the tyres working nothing else really matters," he explained.

    "I'm positive that we know the reasons now and even if the circuit is cool here this weekend I'm really hoping we can get the car working and back to where it was."

    But Button concedes that despite the data gathered at Brackley, the team cannot be certain that they have rediscovered their form until they hit the track in practice on Friday.

    "It all sounds great in the engineering office and I believe them, but at the end of practice we might put our hands up and say we really don't know why we can't get the tyres working."

    Red Bull driver Mark Webber propelled himself into second in the championship, ahead of team-mate Sebastian Vettel, after the Australian followed his maiden victory at the Nurburgring with third in Hungary.

    Button, though, believes McLaren and Ferrari will also be in the fight for victory in Spain on Sunday.

    Defending world champion Lewis Hamilton is also expecting another promising weekend after claiming his first victory of the season for McLaren, Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen following him home in second.

    "Red Bull have been competitive over the last few races and the only positive I can take is that they are both going at it hard between them," added Button.

    "Webber has upped his game and has got the advantage over Vettel, but he's not going to settle; he's still fighting for the world championship.

    "We now have two Ferraris and McLarens around us at the start and so things have got a lot more complicated."

    First practice for the European GP in Valencia starts at 0855 BST with second practice at 1255
     
  9. ATBNM3

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    #9 ATBNM3, Aug 20, 2009
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    I think Button speaking smoke and mirrors. This WDC has been fluky at best. The FIA compeletly change the spec of the cars with Ferrari and McLaren going tooth and nail to the last years Championship. On top of that the FIA is all of its wisdom banned in season testing making it almost impossible for the Top Tier teams to make up lost ground.

    Now we have Brawn, McLaren, Ferrari, Renault, and Williams all within a couple of tenths from each other. Its come to a point were driver skill not an utterly dominate car will determine who wins and who loses.

    I don't think Button has that skill to push the car to its limits and win the same way Hamilton, Raikkenon, and Massa have. He's had many years in F1 to prove and hasn't. He only seems to be able to pass when the car in front of him is woefully slower and unable to defend.

    I see the cars ranked as

    RBR
    Brawn
    McLaren-Ferrari
    Renault
    Williams

    and the drivers
    Hamilton
    Raikkenon/Alonso
    Vettel/Webber
    Rosberg
    Button
    Kovalainen
    Barrichello

    If you have the fastest car but the 7th skilled driver its not going to go your way...

    Plus the Brawn will continue to go backwards as Button has never proved himself to be a good development driver. All these years he's been with Honda/Brawn and the car has continued to be a midfielder never moving forward, except now when there is a complete change in the rules.

    This the complete opposite of Hamilton who has taken the horrible MP-24 that started the season 2.5 seconds off the pace and made it a race winner in his hands. Not to mention what Massa and Raikkenon have done with the Ferrari.

    The only reason he's even in contention for the WDC is the way the FIA has tilted the rules againts the Top Tier teams.

    I believe its 5-8 for him thru the rest of the season.

    My 500th post!
     
  10. beast

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    I don't see JB standing on the top step of the podium this season, much less WDC.
     
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    Totally agree, and could not have said it better.

    Sad for JB, but a mediocre driver can only be lucky so long in a season.
    Pete
     
  12. kraftwerk

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    LOL I think a revisit will be in order here....:D
     
  13. jk0001

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    Things are looking up for Button.... Go Button!
     
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    It is 3 digit temps in Valencia, that should be enough to put Jenson on pole. And passing is verboten on this track, so there.

    Typing this from my air conditioned room. It is brutal just to go outside, let alone sit in a race car...I know so, cause I did so yesterday.
     
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    Pete, I just want to make sure we get this on record. You said you totally agree. The post ranked Hamilton as the top driver. You finally see the light! :D
     
  16. TurboFreak650

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    Jens could only win another race if his car suddenly became superior to the rest of the field. Again. :eek:
     
  17. Jack-the-lad

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    He doesn't have to win or even take podiums....he just has to finish ahead of the Red Bulls.
     
  18. ATBNM3

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    I can't wait to see how this plays out.
     
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    I'll guarantee you that there was a little voice, no matter how trace, in the back of Schumi's head that told him he had an outside chance at the title if he jumped in. It looks like this will come down to the wire again.
     
  20. texasmr2

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    Yes to the OP.
     
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    Yes, he can win another race, or two. Ross will figure it out before the end of the season. JB is ahead by 20 points. He still may win the WDC this year.
     
  22. nsxrebel

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    Jenson Button can win another race, or more. P1 and P2 have shown that BrawnGP is ahead of RedBull, so far. We'll see how P3 and Qual go later today, but it looks like the Killer Bees have found their form again.
     
  23. ATBNM3

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    I'd like to revisit this thread one more time ;)
     
  24. TurboFreak650

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    If Button manages to cruise control his way to WDC this year, it will be a JV-esque title. I wouldn't look for him to repeat it. Ever. Unless perhaps there is another drastic rule change and his team starts out incredibly well. :eek: It would become a bit of a joke discussing him in future racing, kind of like when JV was in F1 most recently "here comes former World Champion Jenson Button......in 12th".
     
  25. FerrariF1v12

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    seems so,only tommorow mornin' we will tell...
     

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