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  1. Olivier NAMECHE

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    #6476 Olivier NAMECHE, Aug 28, 2009
    Agreed... but when does someone will tell it to all journalists in order to rectify the truth ?
    so we won't read it again anymore...
     
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    #6477 The Ferrari Kid, Aug 28, 2009
    Who all did the restoration??
     
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    #6478 ApexOversteer, Aug 28, 2009
    Checking this thread daily, as one is want to do, you find yourself sometimes clicking incorrectly and ending up on the first page of the thread, rather than the last.

    If you haven't seen it in a while, take a peek. A history lesson, all three main variants; P400, S and SV, period photos, modern photos, unrestored cars, restored cars, and spots, its got it all.

    3 years and 6500ish posts later the thread still lives up to that first page so well. What an amazing thing this thread is.

    Thanks to all that have contributed thus far!
     
  4. joe sackey

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    #6479 joe sackey, Aug 28, 2009
    Any well-researched journalist already knows. Every knowledgeable Miura enthusiast knows. People will continue to publish erroneous information, and it will continue to be disregarded.
     
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    #6480 joe sackey, Aug 28, 2009
    + 1
     
  6. Olivier NAMECHE

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    #6481 Olivier NAMECHE, Aug 28, 2009
    If I'm following your comment, how do you explain that Simon Kidston -recognized specialist preparing a Miura book too- is making that "fake"...only because he expects to keep a high value on his personnal SV and for his ego ???
     
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    #6482 joe sackey, Aug 28, 2009
    No comment!
     
  8. Olivier NAMECHE

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    #6483 Olivier NAMECHE, Aug 28, 2009
    com'on tell us what you think...don't be shy, I won't tell him !!!
     
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    #6486 joe sackey, Aug 28, 2009
    I don't think it has been restored.
     
  12. Olivier NAMECHE

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    #6487 Olivier NAMECHE, Aug 28, 2009
    Author doesn't say too much about it, but article demonstrates that Supercars era starts with Miura...what we all know already !!!
     
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    #6488 raymondQV, Aug 29, 2009
    The plate "last built Miura SV" was already in the car when Max Bobnar owned it 20 years ago.
     
  14. Olivier NAMECHE

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    #6489 Olivier NAMECHE, Aug 29, 2009
    Yes, when Max Bobnar bought it, I can understand that so many mistakes were already done...like that plate that doesn't prove anything...as it has been demonstrated here !

    Since, so many Lambo historical details have been corrected...as well as what was written in some reference books => JF Marchet or Rob de la Rive Box (for this last one I own some of his personnal notes and all his Lambo files).

    Why then, such a "worldwide Miura specialist" as Simon Kidston is not correcting the truth with all the access he has by now (to factory & his own website Miura Registry)... why then he just feed journalists with this definitive untruth ??? Give me an explanation...
     
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    #6490 joe sackey, Aug 29, 2009
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    Raymond:

    When Max Bobnar acquired this car in the late 70s, it had not been modified at all. Bobnar made a few modifications, and he created a non-original plaque referencing the last Miura status. The plaque was not already there when he got it. The plaque Bobnar created, was not placed there when the car was built in late 1972, nor was it placed there by the factory.
    The plaque that he created for the car was a black plaque. It was either in German or French (I saw this car & the aforementioned plaque personally at Bill De Carr's shop in Downey in 1991 or 1992 when it was sent there by the Swedish owner of the time for accident repairs).
    Here below is the aforementioned black plaque in 1988 before Bobnar sold the car, with the dashboard being signed by Ferruccio Lamborghini on the occasion of the 25th Anniversary celebrations. You can see that the plaque covers what was once a hole for a radio.

    The picture below that is the next plaque that appeared on the console of the car after it was acquired in 1998. This (also) non-original plaque that was created by the car's owner is now a brushed aluminum item, with black embossed lettering using text from Lamborghini's logo as used in the 1990s. The text is now in Italian. As you can see it is a slightly smaller unit, and it also does not cover the radio hole in the console fully.

    In review, there have been 2 seperate non-original plaques asserting a last status, both created by owners of the car at various points, using their own wording, in a language of their own choosing. Neither of them are original items with any factual basis.

    I have been told that the whole 'last' issue was brought up by an aforementioned French journalist who mistakenly assumed it was the last car, based on a comment made by a worker whilst he was touring the factory. He mentioned this in a book he wrote, and the myth stuck. However factory documentation proves that this is not the last car in any category as stated earlier.

    I think the point that Ferry400 is trying to make is that the car's owner in recent times is fully aware that the so-called last status is not proven (I can vouch for the fact that this is the case), and any continued representation as such, constitutes blatant misrepresentation-of-fact. You can draw your own conclusions.
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    #6492 Olivier NAMECHE, Aug 29, 2009
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    totally agreed, many thanks for that brilliant demonstration Joe !!!
    Olivier
     
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    #6493 EMILIO, Aug 29, 2009
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    there is a later VIN - 5112
    there is a car with a previos VIN that factory VIN books states as later ( delivered or completed) - 5108

    a yellow and a red car (not necessarly in this order...i will have to check since memory does not help me)

    this at very least because i did not found infos on the RHD VINs
     
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    #6495 mikael82, Aug 31, 2009
    Miuras with combined engine oil and gearbox oil, how this construction work in reality? I mean, is this construction something you can live with?
     
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    #6496 MiuraP400, Aug 31, 2009
    In my opinion it is a NON issue. The way I look at it, the original Mini used the same configuration (transmission and engine shared the same oil) from 1959 to 2000. In that time they produced almost 5.4 million of them. If there was something inherently wrong with this configuration, it would have shown up on the Mini long before production ended in 2000.

    Cheers Jim
     
  22. joe sackey

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    #6497 joe sackey, Aug 31, 2009
    Agreed.

    Single-sump Miuras have been driving around like this for half-a-century without need for modification.

    Of course, if I was to put one on the track or in competition situations a split sump would be desired, maybe even a dry-sump application as well. But Miuras were built but for a singular purpose: for the road.
     
  23. Olivier NAMECHE

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    #6498 Olivier NAMECHE, Aug 31, 2009
    Speaking about dry sump Joe, what is your opinion about this awesome work done & presented on : http://www.miuressence.com/

    It sounds attractive, no idea about the budget ?

    Who is Scott Reid ? Never heard of him untill now ???
     
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    #6499 joe sackey, Aug 31, 2009
    Scott is a Miura owner based in Austin Texas, and has owned his car for many years. He thought that the dry-sump systems created for Bob Wallace by Weaver Bros as adapted for the Miura was flawed (it is), and he set out to engineer a proper solution.

    I had the pleasure of visiting with Scott a few weeks a go. Nice gentleman.
     
  25. Olivier NAMECHE

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    #6500 Olivier NAMECHE, Aug 31, 2009
    Do you believe that he is able to developp a dry sump for a standard wet sump V12 front engine ? Just wondering to decrease engine height...replaced sidedraft carbs by vertical ones and so on...Le Mans racer is always thinking..
     
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