Using just the key to start?

1. If the car is unlocked, you just get in and press the remote to turn on the fuel pumps and F1 pump and disable the alarm. Put key in and start.

2. If the car is locked, you press the remote to unlock the car. This will also turn on the fuel pumps and the F1 pump and will also disarm the alarm so that the car can then be started within a certain limited amount of time.

3. Taz advised me that unlocking the car with the key itself will also turn on the fuel pumps and F1 pump. But, doing that will not turn off the alarm so the car still can't be started. You will still have to press the remote to disable the alarm and then the car can be started.

Is all that right??

Question is... I have only one remote so to avoid getting the 3 remote set right now (or if the remote is lost) , could I pull the fuse for the alarm system and then just use the key to do everything, enable the fuel pumps & F1 pump and just insert the key and start. Does this sound like a good temporary possibility??

If so, then I could just get some xtra keys made to be on the safe side. I realize I would not have an alarm for the time being.

Jay

 

I don't know but it seems like Ferrari had really good plan for a 575 start-up checklist and then abandoned it halfway through. I have no idea why it works the way it does. It's probably my only frustration with the car. Oh, and the fact that you can't open the trunk if the car's running--and the fact that the right window doesn't have an 'auto-down.'

 

Jay- You are confusing the alarm with the immobilizer. Separate parts of the Alarm ECU. The key will turn off the alarm, but will not turn off the immobilizer. You can turn off the immobilizer with the key if you use the PIN and the procedure I sent you.

No, you cannot pull a fuze and bypass the system. Would kind of defeat the purpose of having an anti-theft system if all you had to do was remove a fuse. Every car thief in the world would know how to do it.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Jay- A new PIN does you no good without the original PIN. If they charge you $150 for the old, original PIN, that is a good deal. The three new fobs come with a new PIN, so there should be no extra charge for a new PIN. Reprogramming your Alarm ECU to accept three new fobs and a new PIN takes 5 minutes, even for me. No way it costs more than an hour labor.

If they cannot find your old PIN, you need a new Alarm ECU and matching set of three fobs.

Here are the real prices from Ricambi's online site.

http://www.ricambiamerica.com/product_info.php?products_id=280988

From this set all you really need are the ECU and fobs with matching PIN. Ferrari may have started selling those separately, I do not know. Supposedly, prices have come down on that combination.

http://www.ricambiamerica.com/product_info.php?products_id=263898

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Taz

Well then. Looks like the best bet is to get these 3 fobs & the new PIN from Ricambi's online site and then program them myself. I can maybe do that. I think that's the solution at around $537. I better do that now as there is a 90-120 day lead time.

The dealers said the 3 fobs cost around $500 and the PIN that comes with it was an extra $150. That must be their markup!!! Then they wanted one hours labor of $150 to program them (for 5 minutes???). So that was the $800 total. Hmmmm.

So, Ricambi's online site is the good place to go for parts???

Thanks, Jay

 

Jay- Ricambi's site is a great place to buy parts. Remember, though, that without the original PIN, you cannot reprogram the Alarm ECU to accept the new PIN that comes with your new set of fobs.

Catch 22. You need the old PIN to put the Alarm ECU into "learning mode" and the new red fob to program the new PIN and fob ID into the ECU and to allow the two black fob's IDs to be programmed into the ECU.

Give Daniel at Ricambi a call and see if there is anything he can do for you.

Otherwise, you can just have your black fob cloned and you have a back-up, but still not the ability to start the car without a fob due to no known PIN.

Too bad an SD2/3 cannot read the original PIN, but then that would compromise theft security.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Taz

So, the original PIN is absolutely essential to program the alarm ECU and I do not have that. Why did no dealer tell me that! Wouldn't the dealers or FerrariNA keep that info for buyers if it is so critical. They could keep it in an encrypted file of some sort. Guess not though.

If I understand this correctly and I want to do it just right, I need to purchase the 3 fobs with the PIN and the ECU alarm. Then install the ECU, & program the keys. etc. It looks like the alarm ECU itself would cost almost $2000. The total cost for all this would be aproaching $3000. I'm beginning to see the problem of missing key fobs!! One of my degrees is in Industrial Design so I cannot imagine designing something in this manner. What am I missing. Is everyone worried about theft so much that this is the result??

I don't want or need to buy the alarm ECU. Now I'd be happy with buying extra key fobs and having them cloned. Didn't I read a post that Eric in France does this? Is he the only one? I'll give Ricambi a call too.

Jay

 

Yes I can clone your remote for you. Send me a PM if you want to know the details.
Am I the only one? I don't know. I explained the complete process but I am not aware of any other guy having tried it.

 

Eric/Terry - posted this first during the holidays - would appreciate your comments please - TIA

Is there a simple way to tell if a used black fob bought off Ebay for example is Euro or US spec ?

Also if you have your car's PIN can this used black be reprogrammed to suit your vehicle by this on/off procedure or does it need cloning ?

Or I guess to put it another way can new unprogrammed black fobs only be programmed once

Thanks

 

No. That is why, before cloning I systematically mesure the RF frequency to be sure it suits the car and that the RF part of the remoote is working.

I am not sure if another black, out of the original set of remotes can be reprogramed. At least, you need the PIN code AND the original red remote if you want to try that. Just enter the learning process with the PIN, the red remote, then the blacks to see if it works.

 

Eric- Good to see you back.

Jimmie- There is a common misperception that the fobs can be programmed. They cannot, because they are only very simple transmitters. The red fob transmits a PIN and an ID number with rolling code. The black fobs transmit only an ID number with rolling codes.

The only thing that can reprogrammed is the Alarm ECU. Using the original PIN (or later PIN if reprogrammed previously, like mine) and the prodedure I have published numerous times here, the Alarm ECU can be put into a reprogramming mode (called learning mode by the factory) to accept the new red fob's PIN and ID and the two black fobs' IDs.

Eric can clone a red fob to another red fob or a black fob to a black fob by duplicating the PIN and ID for the red fob and the ID for the black fob. Only one other person on FChat can do that as far as I know.

Eric- Never asked, but can you clone from a red fob into a black fob? Could solve a lot of people's problems if you could. I think you said the E-PROMs, or whatever they are, were the same in the red and black fobs. One set of fobs could supply three red fobs with the same PIN if you could at about $200/shot. Black fobs are relatively easy to find on E-Bay. I have three spare blacks and a spare red (without PIN) myself, all picked up for prices varying from $25-$100 on E-Bay.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Wow, trying to decipher all this. I have only 1 Black fob, no Red fob. I do have the PIN number. I assume to get the Black fob cloned I would need to send it to France??? This means no driving the car for about a 2-3 weeks minimum. Am I correct on this or is the clone process something that I can do locally? Does anyone sell just a single spare Black fob?

Thanks
Scott

 

Thanks Terry & Eric - so any spare black plus PIN plus EUR/USD plus original black = cloned spare black plus original black

 

Jimmie- That is correct. Eric can clone your original and you get back your original plus one clone. There is an extensive thread on cloning in the tech forum, if you want to read it. There is one other person here who can clone alarm fobs, but not sure he wants his name highlighted. You do not even need your PIN for Eric to clone a black fob. Your PIN, however, allows you to buy a set of three fobs from Ferrari and reprogram your Alarm ECU. Not too bad a deal for $537 and you will end up with one spare black fob, the one you have now.

Scott- From the list below, Australia uses the same 315 Mhz alarm fobs as the US, so US E-Bay is a good source for an extra. Here is a list of the countries and which frequencies they use. The frequencies are different because of local laws and, here in the States, to prevent interfering with the 433 Mhz TPMS sensors on 575M and later cars.

For those of you who missed it, here is how to reprogram your Alarm ECU to accept new fobs. I added the country data to the end on this latest version.

Note 1
Countries with a frequency of 433 MHz:
Italy, Denmark, Luxembourg, Austria, France, Spain, Portugal, Sweden, Finland, Germany (with specific complete ECU kit), Switzerland (with
specific complete ECU kit), Belgium (with specific complete ECU kit), Netherlands (with specific complete ECU kit), United Kingdom (with
specific complete ECU kit), Ireland (with specific complete ECU kit), Greece, Tuerkey, Cyprus, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Brunei, Hong
Kont, China, Thailand, Taiwan.

Note 2
Countries with a frequency of 315 MHZ:
USA, Canada, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, Lebanon, United Arab Emirates, Oman, Japan, Singapore, Australia.

Taz
Terry Phillips
View attachment Programming Alarm ECUs with New Fobs.doc