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Ferrari engine vs "normal" engine - spot the diff

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  1. pacoll

    pacoll Karting

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    Greeting chaps

    Sorry if this is a naive newbie question (suspect it is), but what IS the difference between a Ferrari engine and a "normal" engine? Let's narrow it down a bit - say a 308 QV or 328 engine vs say an injected BMW or Benz (or whatever) engine. Why DO they need specialised mechanics? Why can't say my BMW service guy tackle Ferrari services and repairs? DO they need warming up before heading off because of the engine or because that's what you should do with all cars? Are there fundamental differences that just need special attention...? Yes, I'm a mechanical newt, but happy to hear the techo explanation - there's always Google...

    Cheers
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  2. greg246

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    Aircon has a link somewhere.......
     
  3. Horse

    Horse Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Unfortunately a lot of mechanics equate working on a Ferrari to $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    You're in Qld?

    Marc Jones - ENZOTECH - 0417 776 216
     
  4. scud

    scud F1 World Champ

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    but there's a website he can't show it on for some reason. i'm still finding out details.
     
  5. Aircon

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    No special training needed...it's just nuts and bolts...but like with any car, there are little intricacies. In my experience, though, there's nothing that a competent mechanic can't do. Lack of special tools might be an occasional problem, and then you need all the specs, but that's no different to any other car.



    troublemaker.
     
  6. pacoll

    pacoll Karting

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    So, as Mr AIRCON said, it's not necessarily that they are so different it requires specialised knowledge, just a competent mechanic. Mayby I should just call this Marc dude and have a chat...

    Just thinking it could be a pain having to go outside the Gold Coast for specialised Ferrari attention, when a decent mechanic could do most jobs. I get my E34 series done at Nerang Euro and that dude is very good, can't see him having too much trouble...

    But then, if a non-Ferrari specialist is likely to make a pig's ear of it, then I guess there is no other choice - from the various discussion and advice, it doesn't sound like regular maintenance is mega-expensive anyway (for the 308/328 series I mean)...

    Cheers
    Pez
     
  7. goober

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    www.pless.com.au/mechanics.htm
     
  8. IanB

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    They only need warming up if you expect them to last a long time...

    Early engines are designed for oils with limited viscosity range (simply put, they're thicker when cold). This oil takes longer to reach all of the load bearing surfaces in an engine, so its a good idea to warm the motor for a few minutes before you drive off. Then you have to be gentle for a long time, until the oil gets warm, this can take 15-20 K's.

    They are also very free-revving engines (some unfortunate Australian emissioned models excepting) that are eager and easy to zip to high revs, another reason for warming up before mixing with the traffic.

    Of course you can put modern synthetic oil in to reduce the need for this, but the oil seals weren't designed for it and will leak.

    Compared to "normal" cars, Ferrari engines produce more power per litre and have higher quality (read expensive) components. e.g. the crankshafts are machined from a steel billet, not cast as in mass produced engines. The internal tolerances are often finer and you need to have knowledge of these aspects before you work on them.

    e.g. A well-intentioned mechanic can get a 246 to idle sweetly at 700rpm. He is not to know that it will chop the camshaft lobes out in 5000k's if you do this. The metal worn off will go through the rest of the engine, full rebuild material in no time.

    Treated properly and serviced regularly, the engines are incredibly strong and durable.
     
  9. Arvin Grajau

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    agree if looked after thse motors will do 100,000 of miles without a overhaul,will lost longer then any 350 Chev.
     
  10. goober

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    and a bentley?
     
  11. pacoll

    pacoll Karting

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    Ah, this is the sort of behind-the-scenes explanation I was after - thanks - very interesting. So even a good mechanic can literally throw a spanner in the works if they don't know these intricacies...

    What about learning to do stuff yourself? It seems quite a few owners do some stuff (e.g. Mr Moretti), even though they are not pros...
     
  12. goober

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    we know.............it shows!
     
  13. Arvin Grajau

    Arvin Grajau Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    about 50,000 miles.
    its like gearbox in a Ferrari good for 200,000 miles 2nd gear sincro
     
  14. scud

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    king of the tinkerers
     
  15. moretti

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    I've stopped, Marc is sick of going over my work :(

    call Marc, he is the best person to talk to and is a REAL enthusiast for this marque with the best idea of cost for maintaining the car in the correct manner
     
  16. Ross Brackenbury

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    Hi Guys,

    I have a customer in Burley Heads, Queensland, who has a 355, and he uses a mechanic in Junction Rd Burleigh Heads, I think its called Maranello motors, but not sure.

    I was told he did his apprenticeship in Italy at Ferrari.

    Every time I'm in queensland and go past he always has a few cars there for servicing etc.

    I have no interest in this company, and this is not a recommendation, just letting you know.

    I do all my own work and am in Sydney

    Cheers,
    Ross
     
  17. wrxmike

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    No fundamental reason, but someone who works frequently on a particular model of car is going to know all the idiosynchronies of that model and is going to know, based on experience, what the common problems are and how to fix them.
    The other issues are having a parts manual and service manual and the tech updates for a particular car, a mechanic who generally works on another type of car is unlikely to bother having all that stuff, and be familiar with it , just to work on one car.
    Lastly, someone who works on Ferrari's "all the time" is likely to have a good idea where to get parts from, and at the correct price.
    And if you are talking "new" cars, IE 355 onwards, the mechanic will eventually need a Ferrari test system ( SD1 - SD3, these are 15K to 30K to buy ) in order to be able to do any "advanced" diagnostics.
    All the above applies pretty much to any brand car.

    What makes a Ferrari engine different ? They are highly developed engines, produce a lot of power for their size, need to be spot on to give the best performance.

    A general issue working on Ferrari's is that on many models there is limited access to the engine, and it's time consuming to remove bits to get at what you want. In general, they are not designed with serviceability as their primary design goal, although the newer cars are getting better in that regard ( 360 / 430 ). Some mechanics don't like working on cars that are "difficult" , others like the challenge of dealing with a mechanical rubic's cube.

    M
     
  18. jeffQV

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    what a sensible thread....whats going on? :)
     
  19. Aircon

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    lol

    sometimes it happens
     

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