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  1. marklintott

    marklintott Formula Junior
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    Ok, this topic has been covered to death in the past with not a lot of positive results. Glass lenses NLA, repro plastic, extortionate cost to buy replacements etc IF THEY ARE EVEN AVAILABLE..... I have been quoted anywhere between US$800 to US$1200 for replacements in plastic, glass etc etc.

    Anyway, I've just signed the cheque to have a mold made and an initial run of glass lenses to match the RHS front of my 1988 328 GTS (USA). I will have the mold to check for defects in 2 weeks time and will have the first 10 pieces within 30 days from now. These are expected to be exact reproductions of the original Carrello lens in the original quartz glass material. They will make the mold by scanning my old one with a 3D laser scanner which will then cut a stainless steel mold to take the molten glass. (They will likely also reproduce any defects in the original part. The original is not a particularly hi tech or high quality piece of work.)

    Anyway what I am interested to know is roughly how many people would seriously be interested in buying one of these lenses. The number of interested people will have a big effect on the final cost down the line. I have to get one made anyway as the original on mine has been broken for some time and I resent paying through the nose for a replacement. The cost of mold/mock up etc is pretty huge but I think it can be offset if there are enough people interested.

    Bear in mind that:
    1 This is only for the right hand side glass part. Taking out the old one and refitting the new piece is entirely up to the buyer. I also need a left hand side but I'm not going to commit to the mold etc until I'm happy with this one. So in the future there may be a left side piece available as well.

    2 I cannot provide any guarantee of quality although I certainly won't ship anything that does not look identical to the original I have (without the cracks and chips of course...) and I will make sure the material used is the same as the original.

    I can get these done for this first run for US$575 including shipping to the USA. After this run the price may go up a little (when I know all my costs and other unforeseens) or down if there is a decent demand. I know everyone says the same but I am not really out to make a killing on this. I do however want to comfortably cover my costs and all the running around/trudging round factories/general hassle I've gone through to get this far.

    I won't ask for the money until I have the pieces in hand and can make sure they are good enough to ship out. This is not my business so I'm going slowly to start with.

    So, any takers................?

    Cheers

    Mark
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  2. robbie

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    Keep us posted. I don't need any but these may be one of those wise investments for the future.
     
  3. marklintott

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    Sorry I should clarify. I don't need committments to buy but just an indication of how many people might be interested for roughly that cost.

    Appreciate any input.

    Cheers

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  4. Mule

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    #4 Mule, Sep 17, 2009
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    I need a left side (US driver's), but would want a pair of two new if available. The cost is the lowest available, but the quality is an unknown right now.

    If the quality is up to par, and I could get a pair for about $1000, I probably would.

    Also consider that the Ebay ones are around $600, but marketed as "unbreakable" non-glass. If I get yours, I will need to immediately protect them with clearbra or Griot's film. Is the price difference worth it?

    Just throwing out ideas, since I have had an interest in replacement lights for many years - cost, quality, ease of replacement have been my criteria. $500 for a glass lens is still insane, but what can you do?
     
  5. Jayo5

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    Do you think these would fit a 1990 Mondial as well? Just curious?
     
  6. 430tdf

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    My right side lens has a stone chip in it and I would consider buying one if the quality is there. Then I can sell my NOS one in the box and make a killing!
     
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  8. marklintott

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    500$ is still insane I agree. I could get the cost significantly lower if I had a better idea of what the realistic market for these would be. The initial cost of the mold is the biggest cost of course.

    I would like to get the eventual cost down to about US$250-300 ish.

    Mark
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  9. marklintott

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    I don't know about the mondial - someone else with access to p/n's would need to check. Sorry.

    Mark
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  10. maurice70

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    Mark if the quality is as good when you see them and if the cost is around the $500 for a pair,then yes I would be interested as well.I think you will be able to sell them for $500 a pair easily,and what doesn't get picked up on here should go on Ebay,,,but yes as Mule has stated if the Ebay repro plastic ones are selling for $600 a pair,then thats your competition and your market...Keep us informed
     
  11. Scuderia NoVA

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    #11 Scuderia NoVA, Sep 18, 2009
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    Mark, at USD1000/pair I'd pay up (begrudgingly) but only as needed. At USD500/pair I'd be more inclined to pick them up just to have them around.

    Thanks for your efforts in finding a viable solution that benefits the whole community!

    p.s. This is my 308th post. Cool!
     
  12. Gerry328

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    Likewise for me, assuming there is no difference between the 308 and 328 lights.
     
  13. FasterIsBetter

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    I have a 1986 328 GTS. Assuming that they are identical to your '88, I'd buy a pair for $500 just to have as a spare.
     
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  14. marco246

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    The right hand lens on my 87 328 has a "star" fracture on it, so color me interested in a replacement.
     
  15. ScuderiaRossa

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    Count me in as well.
     
  16. SeattleM5

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    Me too. If $500/pair was the going price I'd be in for a spare set.
     
  17. Iain

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    Probably me too at that kind of number .
     
  18. djh2627

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    Id buy a set for spares at $500.00 or less a set.
     
  19. wantaferrari

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    Id buy a set for $500.00 or less a set
     
  20. marklintott

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    Thanks for the feedback everyone. Good to get some response. I would hope to sell a PAIR for more than US$500 though as that would equate to 250 each when the glass ones currently run at about 500-600 EACH. Of course that's rip off money but I'm aiming to get about 600 a pair. Bear in mind that although the plastic replacements may be unbreakable etc they are not close to original. That may or may not be a problem depending on your view point but personally I would rather have glass replacements. If they were not so damn expensive then perhaps we would not be quite so paranoid about breaking them in the first place, applying film etc.

    However, as I said I'm not really in this to make a killing so once I've covered my outlay plus a bit the costs will drop. I'm supposed to see a first batch next week and then I'll have a better idea if this is really going to work quality-wise.

    Get back to you then. Thanks for the comments though.

    Cheers,
    Mark

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  21. V.W. Porto

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    Mark,

    I'd be interested in a spare set for my 328GTB as well. I was very fortunate to locate a replacement for my LHS lens two years ago (with the help of Ricambi - thanks again Dave!) that had lost a fight with a rock. Even with 2-layers of lens film on the new one I'm still paranoid, so count me in. BTW, how hard was it to separate the old lens from the housing section? Verell stated he had significant difficulty therein (e.g., blood sacrifice to Enzo). He was also looking into fabricating replacements, albeit in polymer/plastic at that time. I sent him my old lens w/housing to make molds but am not sure of what has happened since.

    Ciao,

    Vince
     
  22. Verell

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    It's NOT hard to remove an OEM glass lens provided you're either willing to break it up & take it out in pieces, or else destroy the plastic housing.

    I was trying to get a good OEM lens out intact, AND also preserve the housing. I must have spent 80 or 90 hours trying, and finally ran out of time & had to return the lens to it's owner. The problem is that the lens is set in something like windshield adhesive in a deep groove in the plastic housing. I think it's possible to do it, but would have to make some very special purpose tools to cut the old adhesive, and it s till would take many 10s of patient hours.

    Once the lens is broken, you can get at each side of the groove, so a straight knife blade can cut the old adhesive.

    I back burnered the project when the plastic lens became available.
     
  23. flyingboa

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    I do not need them now, but dor 500 $ I'd consider storing a pair.
    Ciao
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  24. marklintott

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    Well...............the reason I'm having to make the LHS as well is that I broke the Bl**dy thing trying to get it out of the housing so it could be scanned. The RHS glass was broken anyway and that came out without too much swearing but the LHS side was a complete bi*ch and in fact I still haven't got it out. I gave blood too on this......got to work out a better way of getting them out without trashing the housing.

    If someone had a housing they didn't want I could get that remade too. I just haven't psych'd myself up to start tearing my housings to bits as well - there's always the risk of ending up with nothing but a box full of very expensive bits.

    But one thing people here do very very well is reproducing stuff - used to be all knock off tacky stuff but these days the quality is really pretty good.

    Thanks though for the info.

    Mark
     
  25. marklintott

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    Same experience here too - see above post. There must be a way of softening up that adhesive. Perhaps putting the whole thing in hot-ish water for a while might help..? Otherwise as you say, it will require some very clever tool/gadget to get the glass out without damaging the housing. It's a shame Ferrari didn't stick the rest of the car together as thoroughly as the lights...........

    Cheers

    Mark

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