Are these Ferraris?

I'm not sure if these pictures show Ferraris or not.

The red barchetta has a Ferrari SF shield on the nose but doesn't look like a Ferrari to me.

The b/w spider looks like a Ferrari body on a different chassis (there might be a connection with Monteverdi?)

The black station car might be a Drogo or something completely Ferrari unrelated except for the Cavallino on the grill?

Any help much appreciated!

Best regards, Peter

(copyright pictures: archive J-L Bezemer)
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At a guess from top to bottom

Maserati A6GCS
Ferrari 212
Ferrari 330GT

 

Not a 330 GT, none of the lines are similar, but I don't have a better guess.

 

Middle photo looks like a pimpified 225 s

The other 2 do not appear to be Ferraris.

The last photo may be a Felber bodied wanna be Ferrari, but I do not think so.

 

The black and white photo shows 0264 M when owned by Roland Kappeler of Switzerland in December 1967. With the original body and before it was rebodied by Carrozzeria Fantuzzi in Modena into a "Barchetta Touring" look-a-like. See also page 47 of Rob Box' softbound book.
Marcel Massini

 

The last car is a Murena 429GT by Intermeccanica, circa 1970.

 

just a side comment, but I want to commend Marcel Massini on his giant depth of knowledge about Ferraris. It's stunning and a gift to the automotive culture.

 

definitely, not!

Ciao!
Walter

 

The car in the first photo certainly appears to have a Ferrari SF shield on the nose. I wonder if perhaps it was a Ferrari engined special.

I think I can read 'Oldtimer Garage, Berne CH' on the wing, and it's clearly at some historic meeting, so someone must know what it is.

 

Barchetta.cc says: "53 - Scaglietti style, has funny tail lights" ( http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/0264M.166MM.53.htm )
What would they mean with Scaglietti style? Was the body actually designed and built by Scaglietti?

 

For the B/W photo,the front of the body is pure Scaglietti,probably received from another car.

 

Is the first car an Ermini?

 

Marcel, is this a Vignale body? I will have to check in your book but I don't recall it. The two port holes, the three side louvers,the horizontal side molding and the windscreen cowling all look Vignale.The front grill early PF/Scaglietti and the wheel arches look as if they should be reversed,front to back..Also the rear of the body looks as if it should be lowered 4/5 inches. What's the story? just one man's opinion tongascrew

 

The original body on 0264M is sort of a sister to 0272M, and although Marcel may know for sure, the maker of these bodies is still a mystery to me. Hans Tanner said "Autodromo", but Pete Coltrin once went to Autodromo (a mfr of bus bodies) and even the oldest employees denied ever having made a body for a Ferrari. Here's a pic of 0272M.
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P.S. Jess Pourrret's notes, largely taken from factory records, show 0264 and 0272 as having been bodied by Vignale. I always thought the dash layout was typical Vignale.

 

I would not be surprised if it was! But then I don't think it was a Michelotti design. Port holes and louvres are indeed very Vignale as well as the side and waist treatment.

 

Ed, did Symbolic sell this car within the past couple years?

 

Not so much the front/grille, but everything else has all the charateristics of Vignale.
These bodies look rather modern for their time, how can it be that their origin is unknown? They must have been pretty significant design-wise.

 

The first picture looks like a fiberglass Falcon body.

Some early Elva got these kind of body.

 

0272/M was originally bodied in house by Ferrari themselves. This is confirmed by Ferrari's own internal records. Who helped with the design and who "moon-lighted" from what Coach Builders remains unknown but there are many obvious clues and copies of elements on the car seen on many other contemporary vehicles of the time.

I have been involved in the restoration, sale and trade of the car several times.

Check out the movie The Racers for some great shots of the car racing.

Cheers,

Bill

 

Agree. Sergio Scaglietti suggested in an interview that he was very much involved. One should also remember that there was a third car; the somewhat mystery 4-cilindri Ascari crashed in Monza. Serial number one of 0302-0304-0306 (take your pick!). Best wishes, Kare

 

Ed. thanks for the pictures. Whoever built these bodies incorporated some of the best of three of the best.I think they did a better on the wheel arches on #272. I don't suppose you owned #272 even for just a few hours. Noone would be surprised. just one man's opinion. tongascrew

 

Actually, if you wish to read an amusing article about 0272 you might be able to find it on VeloceToday.com, posted by Larry Crane Jan. 28, 2009. Complete with color photos and true, true, mostly true.

 

Here is the article that Ed Niles referenced: http://www.velocetoday.com/archives/1846

 

Thanks much for posting this.I knew I had seen one of these cars before. I have copy of a thread of many months ago with some great stills from the movie.Some of the pictures of Douglas make him look like he just put his finger in a light socket.When I get back to my office I will post the reference info for this thread. If you haven't seen it is is worth a look. justtongascrew one man's opinion