I doubt that. If he had been watching lately he might have taken notes to respond like Denny Hamlin did when he tried to block Montoya and paid the price. It was refreshing to hear Hamlin give an honest reply (I screwed up) instead of flying off the handle pointing the finger at others to try and cover his arse. The guys at Toyota it seems to me would have thought much higher of him if he just came clean and said I took a high risk that did not work and paid the price...sorry. It was pretty pathetic.
I also couldn't follow the outburst. Trulli was wrong, but too full of himself to realize he was responsible for crashing out of the race. I replayed it a few times and saw nothing you could blame Sutil for. In fact, Sutil had a greater cause for being angry at Trulli. It was a bad passing attempt. Whatever, it was all rather non-consequential. What about the pit penalty that was never levied for yanking the fuel hose out of the refueler and nearly immolating a Ferrari?
McLaren was hit with a $50,000 fine for the early release of their driver from the pits. Trulli was fined $10,000 for his 'unsportsmanlike conduct' after the incident with Sutil. >8^) ER
"It is Webbers responsibility to ensure that moving over isn't going to cause contact, which he failed to do." This is, to a point, saying that it is no longer the responsibility of the driver behind to make a pass... In my opinion it is the job of the person behind to pass the person in front. The person in front should be able to take whatever kind of screwy line they want and be allowed to make one blocking maneuver. Now if someone is definitely next to you and you swerve in to them, then that is foul play. And if Webber did swerve in to Kimi, then why did the front of Kimi's wing hit the back of Webber's tire and not the side?
+3 between Quali and being hard as hell to pass, his was one of the more impressive "debuts" we've seen in a while. Now let's see how consistent he is (not that 1 race will be a good judge of that.)
good post. trulli who's notorious for always holding people up was so out of line sutil would be justified to beat his ugly face into the ground right then and there. he and webber both piss me off.
Kimi tried a move that wasn't on and Mark held his line. Kimi should know not to try and intimidate an Aussie.
I'm pretty darn impressed with Kobayashi! What a debut! And where did Jenson suddenly get his drive from?!?? Why couldn't he drive like that the rest of this second half of the season?? Still congrats to him. Also way to go Hamilton! Brazil is always a thrill to watch!
Try watching from a better view, in-car doesn't do Webbers move justice as the camera is moving as the cars are. As is typical of Webber, he makes his move and then fades across into the oncoming car. It is clearly 2 moves and he gets away with it far to often. Here is a quote from PlanetF1 "In the race he (Webber) was lucky that the stewards they'd drafted in were busy looking elsewhere on the opening lap. His move to block Raikkonen into Lake Descent was potentially worthy of a drive-through penalty; replays showed that he moved over to cover the inside line, stopped, then realised Raikkonen had a lot more speed than he originally thought and he had to move again, at which point the Ferrari front wing went CRUNCH!"
Here is my tribute to Mark Webber http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1_O9RlVSss http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T_hUrDLcoM&NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWPyCBot-x0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmr-Jo7CqCI
Mike, I was wondering if they were going to give Webber a drive through or something. He always pulls stunts like that, surprised the FIA didn't investigate that move. Same with Kobayashi, but at least his excuse is that he is a Rookie, unlike the supposed head of the FIA. Howett is another blow hard lately. His comment on Kobayashi is a prime example of that. Besides the fact that he did cause Nakajima to crash, he did have an excellent pace and did a good job in qualifying.
Pete, I used to be a big fan of Webber's starting when he was in the Group C Mercedes at Le Mans and thought he was very underrated. The only thing that bugs me is his moves when someone tries to pass him, he usually puts them in such a precarious position (not just defending his line) that an accident always seems inevitable.
Years of driving **** cars does this to you. This is his first year with a competitive car. Before he was trying to get points in gutless trucks and thus doing a "Jack Brabham" was the only way. Pete
If the driver making the pass has 100% responsibility, then there is nothing wrong with letting the guy get to your tire, then just swerving over and saying it was the other guys fault? No, the guy in front can make one defensive move as per the rules, but if that move will cause contact with another car, it's no longer defensive, it's offensive, and this ain't NASCAR. As for where the contact happened - if you look at the replay, Kimi had absolutely nothing he could do. It's not like Webber moved over and Kimi was too stubborn to give up and lost his wing... Kimi was already in position, he stayed on the line he chose. Webber changed his line.. but he did it too late. The line he moved into was already occupied by Kimis car, and Webber hit him. It was 100% Webbers fault and he deserved a penalty for it.
"No, the guy in front can make one defensive move as per the rules, but if that move will cause contact with another car, it's no longer defensive, it's offensive, and this ain't NASCAR." And if your defensive move puts your car in a straight line path in front of another car (which is what a defensive block is) then you should be at fault? Essentially every car has a line up track that someone else occupies, but is that defensive and should they have to move? "It's not like Webber moved over and Kimi was too stubborn to give up and lost his wing..." I think that is exactly what happened. Rather than lift or brake, Kimi tried to go around and it didn't work. The facts are one car ran in to the back of the other.. Relate to street traffic laws, who is at fault??? Am I saying it was the most tasteful move ever? Not at all, it was just a racing accident.
When you are trying to pass somebody you pretty much know what the guy is going to do, with some exceptions. Kimi would have known that the door would not have just been thrown open for him so he took the gamble. Thus you have to out smart the guy in front so that he accidentally leaves the door open. The alternative is the guy in front has to complete the whole race watching 95% of the time his mirrors and immediately when somebody tries to pass he gets out of the way ... that would be pathetic and plain stupid, and no longer be racing. Pete
Swings both ways seems to me Webber opened the door then shut it, the thing I do know if it was the other way round Webber would be complaining big time. Was it legal I doubt it but with the goverance we have (FIA) whats the point in arguing, one race it may be ok next race it won't be. Webber also took a risk he could have easily have got a puncture like Rubens did with the pass Lewis put on him the exact same thing. What goes around comes around.
With the drivers so restricted for vision behind their 3-9 line now I doubt Webber knew exactly where Kimi was. The mirrors not much help either from driver comments I've read.
Especially relative to all of the other rookies we have seen this season. Buemi has come a long way, but Kobayashi exhibited driving on another level.
