If free, which of the 4 supercars would you pick?

Q1 - 288 GTO easily

Q2 - F50

 

1. 288 (with F40 coming in second)
2. erm...maybe the F40/F50?

 

Where are all these Enzo votes coming from? Most posts list the F40 or F50. Even a 288 GTO more so then the Enzo it seems. Weird....

 

I suppose most people prefer to answer a poll rather than post.

Regardless, it's only pollng 100 Ferrari enthusiast or so. Too bad you can't poll 100,000 Ferrari enthusiasts.

 

Agreed, the poll results are at odds with what people are stating in posts.

Of interest, to this point 24 people of about 40-odd posts answering the OP's questions have stated that they think the 288 GTO will be the most valuable in 20 years time.

 

1: F40 with the F50 a very close second
2: 288GTO

Out of these cars I honestly don't like the enzo that much. I dont know, its Ferrari's current flagship, but its too tame you know? It's a bit quieter, and a lot more civilized.

Ferrari flagships are suppossed to olympic gold medalists on steroids, thats also a supermodel, and an opera singer, and secretly an axe murderer. Viciously fast, gorgeous, capable of sounds sent down from heaven, and do one thing wrong and it will kill you. Out of that the Enzo is only viciously fast, to me its kind of stepping a bit in the ugly line, doesnt howl like a wounded dragon, and most certainly wont kill you if you hit the throttle a bit early coming out of a turn.

I chose the F40 because of its sheer lunacy, its just so basic so pure that all there is to do in the car is drive. Theres a handful of gauges on the dash, thats it. No clutter of buttons anywhere, A nice steering wheel, a gorgeous manual box, three finely placed pedals, no power steering, no ABS, no traction control, a snarling beast of an engine that had cocaine laced with its steroids, so when those turbos hit like a punch its a beautiful sensation... thats how I imagine, and asking around F40 owners say thats how it feels in real life. Then theres that hidden axe murderer. Even Tiff Needell doesnt try to slide it, thats just how angry and ready to kill its driver it is. It's easily the most visceral Ferrari ever built, remeber Enzo wanted to go out with a bang, and this was his final creation so he wanted it to be the best of its time, and it was and then some. And I know those turbo pops make me giggle like I'm 10 years old. Not to mention it was the first production road car to break 200mph (The porsche 959 never managed to break 200 without modifications).

The 288GTO would be an amazing collectors car but it lacks the sheer brutality of the F40. I appreciate the history of this machine and what it represents (first production car to exceed 300km/h) its just not crazy enough, so it comes a close third. And I agree its the prettiest. It's looks, and history give it a close third

The F50. Not as good looking as the 288 or the F40, but has the best sounding engine out of any of them. Plain and simple. I absolutely adore the sound of that 5valve v12. Its an utterly mad car, its powerband is less of a punch than a F40 because it builds its power more progressively, so theres no turbo spooling lurch. It comes a close second largely due to its abilities, partially because of its looks, and mainly due to that v12.

The F60 Enzo. Hmm distant fourth. It just doesn't look good, the sound doesn't even come close to the F50's mad banshee howl... unless you get the FXX exhaust in which case you have no taillights, so you would get rear ended by some girl in a civic paying more attention to her lip gloss than the enzo's rear end coming towards her.

Another reason I like the older Ferraris, were because of their dominance, they smashed records, be it top speed, lap times, handling numbers. They were heads and shoulders above the competition, where as the newer models...well not so much, by the time the F50 came out the Mclaren F1 was out to eat it for lunch, by the time the Enzo was out, porsche had closed the gap again with the Carrera gt and the Saleen S7 twin turbo was now out for blood, along with the koenigsegg ccx in the pipeline, and pagani was starting up. The enzo just couldnt retain its glory for more than a year or two. Then out came the bloody veyron, a VW Beetle with nuclear reactors in it. And a bunch of other mad machines like the Ascari A10, or the Gumpert Appollo(hideous thing).

I dont know. The enzo doesnt do what the other super Ferraris do for me. It's special, but it failed to meet expectations.

 

F50 I love the look of the thing and its more than enough car for me

 

Have you ever driven in an Enzo being pushed to the limit with all traction controls shut off?

When we drove an Enzo hard back-to-back with an F40, the passengers and F40 owner remarked how angry and loud the Enzo felt and sounded compared to the F40. Find someone who drives an Enzo as it should be driven in Race mode with ASR off. There is no comparison. A normally aspirated 6-liter engine with 12-cylinders moving at 8400 rpm and pushing 650 hp is far more angry than a 2.9-liter turbocharged V8 pushing 478 HP.

In the Enzo's suicidal Race mode with ASR off, it will leave rubber in 1st, 2nd and 3rd gears, and the instant throttle response will break the tires loose at over 80 mph. You can power steer out of corners with ease with instant power on tap even at lower rpms. The sound of one passing at full acceleration at 8,000+ rpm will never be forgotten. It's amazing it's even legal. It will absolutely pulverize all previous Ferrari super cars with no sacrifice in rawness, as Ferrari intended.

As you can tell, I am very passionate about the Enzo, and I think people should know what it's really like. I love to give rides to friends that "heard" the Enzo is tame. On the road, and especially the track, it will nearly scare you to death. A CGT and Veyron will scare you. An Enzo will make you lose fluids. I just don't know where people get this false information about the Enzo. Maybe the owners are not giving good demos! Put that baby in Race mode with ASR OFF and floor it to redline in every gear!

 

And how could I forget to talk about the Enzo's brakes? This excerpt from Car & Driver sums it up well:

"At Ferrari's test track, Benuzzi stretches the new 6.0-liter V-12 to the 8200-rpm rev limiter — exhaust howling — in first, second, third, then fourth gear, and we flash through the left-hand chink at 150 mph (6800 rpm in fifth). Benuzzi is grinning, knowing what comes next. He hits the brakes, left hand simultaneously tapping the paddle to downshift, revs automatically soaring between each 0.15-second shift. The brakes growl, the 19-inch Bridgestone Scuderia rubber scrambles for grip. The Enzo stays straight, flat. Under the staggering deceleration, our eyes water and our bodies strain against the four-point belts. It's as if some secondary magnetic force were slowing the Ferrari, dragging it into the track surface. Three-lap demonstration over, motion sickness induced, Benuzzi tells us the discs are 25,000 miles old and have been through a series of 200-to-0-mph tests."

 

Someone at Forbes dares to turn the Enzo's ASR OFF!

"On the three key hairpin turns on the Fiorano track, once I got comfortable with how the Enzo behaves, there is a sense of near-invincibility that came over me. A lot of steering-wheel and accelerator action is needed to keep the monster on line, but this becomes a lot of fun. Only one warning: leave the ASR (anti-skid regulation) on until you get really good. In those same hairpins without it, at first I ended up facing the wrong way several times, as the tail gets pretty lively."

 

One vote was mine, but I haven't posted till now, so:

1. Enzo
2. Enzo

As Bill S says "When we drove an Enzo hard back-to-back with an F40, the passengers and F40 owner remarked how angry and loud the Enzo felt and sounded compared to the F40. Find someone who drives an Enzo as it should be driven in Race mode with ASR off. There is no comparison. A normally aspirated 6-liter engine with 12-cylinders moving at 8400 rpm and pushing 650 hp is far more angry than a 2.9-liter turbocharged V8 pushing 478 HP."

We're talking standard car's here and that why I chose the Enzo to have now, and I think it's beautiful too. Relatively low production numbers should keep it's value up. 288 is OK but looks too much like a 308. This business about the 288 being super expensive because of lower production isn't neccessarily so: Compare the 206GT to the 246GT. The former should be worth MUCH more (alloy body, alloy engine, 150 examples, hand built) but it's only slightly ahead of the latter.

 

I only saw ZR autos enzo FXX thingy with the edo comp body kit, it sounds good, but I personally rank the f50s v12 better, 12 cylinders for the most part sounds better than 8 cylinders, but I still giggle when I hear those pops. Looks are subjective I am glad you didnt try to push me towards it. A CGT is scary but everyone says the veyron is like a big luxury super sports hypercar thing that just pins you to the seat with no drama at all.

Its all right, if you love the enzo its cool, the F40 was just so much of a childhood hero if you will so I dont know if you will understand but thats also another reason I love the F40 so much.

I guess the enzo disappointed me a bit, because it wasnt seemingly as gigantic a leap as the 288gto or the f40 was in its time, and the f50 less so but then again the f50 was a lot less hyped so it wasnt as big a hit to me.

But I mean the rumours around the enzo was absolutely massive, and everyone was going on about it, and I was expecting it to be the mclaren f1 rival, which it was in everything but top end.

But dont get me wrong I love all four. They are and always will be super Ferraris. That alone is special enough. But my ranking them hasnt changed yet.

But the Enzo is no longer a distant 4th. its a very close fourth, maybe a third place tie?

Oh and finally my important question.

Will you be my friend? And then maybe you can give me a ride?

 

Hey, it's all for fun! We just have some very passionate car people here, but we never take anything personally! No reason at all for that!

I love the F40 because it brings back memories for me as well, like the charm of an old house or watch. The popping exhaust as you mention, the turbo whine, the non-linear acceleration, squeaky brakes, notchy shifter, ducking down to get into the cockpit, the skinny steering wheel, simple gauges, felt dash, familiar body style from all the magazine articles, wire door handles, etc. I can go on and on. But if you ever get to drive one, I'm sure you'll find it's pretty tame next to an Enzo when both are driven in anger.

The 288 GTO would be great for a collection because of its relatively low numbers and it is the first Ferrari super car. But I'm not sure I'd drive it very much.

I don't know what to say really about the F50, other than that would be great for a collection as well. I suppose, to me, it seems like a protoype to get F1 to the street, and then the Enzo came out of that experiment, but it took almost 8 years (much less time from the F40 to the F50). And Ferrari had much more F1 technology under their belt and money to develop the Enzo during that time (including their new wind tunnel). Plus the new president of Ferrari was fairly new when the F50 came out, and it probably wasn't exactly what he wanted, but he was busy on other things. He made up for that with the Enzo, and, after visiting the factory and Pininfarina, it seemed like almost a lunar landing project at the time, maybe because they were trying to bring back the seemingly lost spirit of Mr. Enzo Ferrari, which it seems they believe they did in full force with the Enzo!

The Enzo looks and perform like an F22 jet fighter. You can't break it, and it will kill you in an instant if you're not completely alive. The president of Tubi, the company that developed the Enzo protoype exhaust, told us the Enzo's exhaust engineering alone was nearly $4M. Who knows when Ferrari will put that much effort and engineering into a car again. Just look at the full-scale wood model at Pininifarina! The Enzo is an amazingly raw machine for the technology it has, especially when you turn some of that technology off!

Unfortunately, very very few Enzo owners talk about the Enzo driving experience (Mr. Richard Losee is another that does), so people need to make their own assumptions about it. That's normal of course.

If you're at the Monterey meet next year with all the F40s, we may meet up. I'm sure I'll bring the Enzo, and if we do meet up and you remind me of this thread, we can go for a ride in Big Sur if you want.

 

What are you talking about? Compared to the Enzo, the 288 GTO is super cheap! Like half-price cheap.

 

Does it have to be roadcars?? Otherwise i would pick the GTO Evo and a F40 GTE...

 

But a CGT can make you lose your breakfast.

 

Super expensive as in people predicting it's going to be the most valuable in future

 

In that case you are absolutely correct. In my opinion, it will be.

 

I'd take an F50 and I'm scraping my pennies together into a big pile until I have enough to buy one.

 

The mods added the poll after nearly 100 posts to this thread.
Gotta wait for all the priors to catch up!

... and is the implication a corollary that seasoned Ferraristi prefer ?

 

Amazing how close the voting is....

 

Bill - I think you'd have alot more to say if you drove the F50. It goes well beyond "being a great for a collection." Being the closest supercar of the four to a true F1 car from its era is certainly something to experience. Consequently I agree with your assessment of the Enzo as I have been fortunate enough to have been a passenger in one with an ex Italian Ferrari GT driver and needless to say I was GREEN when the ride was over. Not from envy (maybe a little) but from my almost losing my dinner (and lunch and breakfast)!

 

Hmm I have now placed the 288 in the back. Its like the 8C competizone, Disturbingly pretty. Decent sound, and a shockingly beautiful work of art, but its really not that nuts. Enzo now in 3rd place right behind the f50.

Let me explain my irrational love for the f40. I was given a car and driver magazine from my dad's friend when I was 4 and it was the F40 in the main page. So basically its that little bit of that 4 year old in me that goes nuts when I see it.

It's a lot like my love for the r34 skyline gtr. I just fell in love with it when they released it in 1999 for absolutely no explainable reason.

I would like to make it the monterey f40 meet when they hold it but they haven't released any info yet so it's hard for me to say yes I will go. But I will definitely try to make it. PM me later on if you are coming or not. I will let you know if I am a confirmed spectator. Hey if they let us lowly mortals without Ferraris in the tracks once in a while that would be awesome too. I really wanted to drive laguna seca, just never got the chance.

 

I'd love to experience your F50 some time. I heard the engine feel in the cabin is pretty remarkable.

You are so lucky to get that ride! Obviously something you'll remember your entire life.

I've had a few people GREEN in the Enzo. But Andrew101010 lost his breakfast in the CGT. He was OK in the Enzo... I believe Dramamine was with us on that ride.

 

That's why people want these cars! For us car guys and girls, these cars really bring back youthful memories... almost like the feeling you get when smelling something you remember as a kid and having that feeling stay with you.

I'm pretty sure the F40 event will happen. Either way, the Concorso Italiano is a really memorable event. Here I am at the Bridgestone tent this year. They gave me four new tires just to park my car there! The motorsport marketing VP really likes Enzos, and really likes that Ferrari selected their tires for it!
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