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  1. BB512 1980

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    It will.

    Chassis reinforced, upgraded engine.
     
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    Interesting pedal conversion too.

    Cheers Jim
     
  3. Olivier NAMECHE

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    Are you running that shop ?
    This shop is not located at Aix...but in the Castellet track business area, isn'it ?
    In the area of France, have you ever heard about the Miura P400 VIN #3015 ?
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    Sorry Olivier, this workshop is in Aix for 10 years. And works especially on Ferraris cause of their numbers.

    Last year, they made a Jarama, and 2 years ago an Islero.

    As regards 3015, have you got more info about it ?

    I know about s.o. else restoring a Miura in S.E.France (I'm to sell him 2 new rear lights), but no directly, so I've not yet been able to see this 4th one.

    Will try to ask about its serial #.
     
  5. ryankjb

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    I love pictures like these. Thank you for sharing, and please show more pics as you get them. :)
     
  6. P400

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    Jim, lightened the photos and see not only pedal conversion (which is major), but gas filler removed, wedge ducting, triangle gusset at front, and also the usual added late S triangle bracing + more..... I would hope that, given the potential value for this Fred Lip, Verde/Verdepelle Miura, a little more time and thought goes into this exact chassis. The potential to eclipse SV value is very high for this Miura P400, but you can't open the the front shell and go Gag!

    Maybe there is an unheard, documented story that can shed light on this!
    Miura madness
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  7. joe sackey

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    Craig:

    No chance whatsoever for that, I'm afraid. Perhaps for one of the prototype P400, but not for the 169th Miura.

    The livery chosen for this car by Fred Lipmann is quite special, and that is what is of most interest, simply because there isn't another Miura with the same livery. However, without a factory build sheet documenting same, the chassis modifications are of individual interest, but the value of this P400 will simply be based on the quality and accuracy of its restoration. A similarly restored SV done in original one-off livery will still be worth close to twice as much, a formula that has held true for the relationship in values between P400 and SVs from inception. Simply put, SVs retailed for twice the price of new P400, and that formula has pretty much remained the same to this day. Ive sold close to 30 Miuras to date of all 3 variants and I havent noted a deviation from that premise.

    Of interest, Fred Lipmann is renowned nationally in France for the labor unrest of his firm which culminated in him being ousted by his own workers in 1973.
     
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    pathetic
     
  9. joe sackey

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    #6709 joe sackey, Oct 30, 2009
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    At least he liked Miuras!

    Another green/green car that "Lip" ordered was this 410 SuperAmerica, so that must have been a signature livery for him.

    He is described as being "small in stature, and a heavy gambler"...
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    He also owned 4021.
    Lip was the postwar leading french watchmaking manufacturer. He pioneered electronic watches and gave birth to very interesting designs (by Roger Talon). It is a shame the story ended so badly...
    I wonder wether his Miuras featured special Lip clocks?
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  11. joe sackey

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    I will bet they did...
     
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    Will ask what was found in the car since it was well stored for the last 35 years.
     
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    #6713 joe sackey, Oct 30, 2009
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    His 410 SA had a clock in it, but we are told that it was a Jaeger! (hard to believe, considering his business). It also had a number of special features including a stashed holster for his Walther pistol, leather pillow for the driver's seat appropriately embossed with a pair of dice (one can picture this car standing outside the Casino at Monte Carlo) etc. Below is also a pic of the man himself, and lets hope this doesn't become yet another lime green Miura such as the one below (my understanding is that Verde Acrilico is quite different).
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    I wont pretend to have a clue what Verde Acrilico is, but my research shows something like this.

    Can anyone offer up something definitive?
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    This is not that hard to believe. Indeed, watchmaking is a very small family and it is not impossible that Fred Lip did business with Edmond Jaeger (also a frenchman). As an example I know that Lip was the Blancpain importer at a certain time.
     
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    3177 is definitely very dark green.

    Will try to make a pic of the color.

    I've been told that this car was delivered very lately by the factory cause of "special specifications" asked by Fred Lip.

    It was the 169th released car w/ @ 80th chassis number.

    Will also give you the details of the modifications made onto the chassis, w/ pics.
     
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    Was just wondering if it's not the same green than on ILZRO..
     
  18. EMILIO

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    special livery are cool, unique livery are VERY cool...but not worth such a BIG premium...

    a "regular" color SV is still worth much more than this car imo
     
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    However, it's not the topic... This car is not for sale !!
     
  20. joe sackey

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    I would have thought he would want to make a 'statement' by putting one of his own readily available clocks in the car. After all, his cars were all about making a statement!
     
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    Sorry, i was misunderstood....my use of "pathetic" was in response to what could be seen as France-bashing. I think it was inappropriate to add a negative comment about Lipmann in a pontification about any Miura values. We have a lot of passionate French Miura owners and restorers who deserve the respect and positive input from all their fellow owners.

    It would have been an excellent opportunity to discuss the known facts about 3177 and why it was #169 instead of #80 and what went into this very special build. I believe there are photos of the period showing the Miura?

    Miura madness
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  22. joe sackey

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    Not by me, rest assured.

    Cobblers to the notion that any nationalism was at play. By anyone other than you, that is. An owners story was told as it is, and his origins are of total irrelevance. Clearly, nobody has an issue, other than you, Frenchmen included.

    Additionally, the opportunity to discuss 3177, its unique specification, its production number, and so forth, has not been missed. Just scroll up & read.
     
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    Please post when you can. Thanks!
     
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