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  1. joe sackey

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    FWIW looks like I added the 1975 article also...
     
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    #4327 Peter K., Nov 7, 2009
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    Joe, can you post some info/pictures about Blu Notte? I think I've seen only one Countach in that color. What years was the color available? What models? How close was it to the Blu Met.?
    What blues were period correct for '78?
    I like my Blu Met.. I like Blu Tahiti a little bit better but it is not period correct, right? I'm not a fan the my original color Blu Acapulco.
     
  3. EMILIO

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    blue tahiti is period correct, Peter
    in fact it was used on Series 1 cars
     
  4. joe sackey

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    Peter:

    Lots of examples of Blu Notte on the Miura thread. See Miura SV 4870, and Michael Kadoorie's P400S which I recently posted which still has its original Blu Notte paint. Blu Notte was used in the LP400 production (1974 to early 1978), and the only LP400S S1 that I have on record as receiving this color is 1121028, the 164th Countach completed October the 26th 1978.

    Blue Metallic has more silver in it to my eye, less of a blue-black tint.

    Blu Tahiti WAS correct for LP400S S1, such as 1121016 and 1121038 (as Emilio points out) and a few others, I cant remember right now.

    Your car was also originally Blu Acapulco Metallizzato which has that purplish tint as you know. Personally, I love that color, and it was used sparingly in production, all the way up to Annivesario.
     
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    Yes, it has adjustable Koni's. Unfortunately no images taken in 2000...
     
  9. joe sackey

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    Thanks! That explains its stance.
     
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  11. EMILIO

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    looked really nice and at the right place !

    even in its "Wolf-a-like" shape
     
  12. joe sackey

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    Christian:

    This is a fantastic image. Because it illustrates why they had to go from double wishbones to parallel links for the real LP400S production cars. Look at the negative camber being generated in the rear wheels through aggressive/high-speed cornering. In fact, in Wolf's first wide-wheeled car (1120148), double wishbones were still in place, as with this privateer conversion of an LP400 upon 1120022. The problem Wolf experienced was corrected by chassis genius Ingegnere Gian Paolo Dallara with 1120202, which has parallel links, and the rest as they say is history...
     
  13. Lel

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    Sorry Joe!

    1120022 got the parallel link when it was rebuilt to this "Wolf S" disguise and so it has on this pic. When I returned it back to normal LP400 look I let the parallel link remain. It is probably the only narrow Countach with parallel links, maybe thats the reason I later lost control of the car.

    Best Regards

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    Lars-Erik: pictures please.

    If it had parallel links, it indeed has a narrower total rear track than an LP400S, and judging from the pic above, they were not very effective.

    When Dallara engineered the parallel link setup for the LP400S, it made it a very planted car thru turns, as owners of S1 cars will attest.
     
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    Maybe you meant the rear wheels has positive camber during high speed cornering?
     
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    Sorry, Yes!

    And that's the reverse of what you want. Its characteristic of the massive grip the wide tires are affording, coupled with a suspension set up (such as wishbones) that cant quite handle it.
     
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    Lar-Erik, 1120004 (red car below) also received S-style mods, but I'm not sure if it got the parallel links. Either way, the rear track is not fully extended as in a true LP400S, and that's visually obvious, without even measuring it. See 1120202 and 1120222 below (both definitely Dallara-engineered parallel-link cars) and you can see the rear track extends beyond the basic fender and actually also fills in the flares nicely. I'm not doubting 1120022 had parallel-links if you say so, but I'm sure the rear track was not fully extended and the same as Dallara LP400S and production LP400S, and Ive observed this also in other images of 1120022. If you have any suspension pics of 1120022 that will be good to see.
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    #4343 joe sackey, Nov 8, 2009
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    Speaking of 1120202, here it is in the restoration section at the factory getting prepped for one of its repaints.

    Observe how one door, and the front bumper are stored on top of the engine. Such care & consideration...

    BTW, to its left you can see the Flying Star.
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  19. Lel

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    Joe.

    I have no pictures to prove my words, the car was sold five years ago.

    I would say that there are not that much difference between the LP400:s and the later Countaches suspension. The only constructional difference are the lower connections between the frame and uprights. On the LP400 they are shaped like a reversed A-arm and the 400 S and later cars have instead two parallel adjustable bars, like mine had. This has no effect on the camber angle, which can be adjusted on the LP400 aswell, but the two bars are there to take care of the toe-in angle.
    I can be wrong but I doubt it.

    Regards
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    #4345 ilconservatore, Nov 9, 2009
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    1120004 was converted to lower parallel links, shown below (whether the links are factory items or handbuilt, I can't say. As for rear track width, I can't say at the moment. Do the S cars use the same rear hubs as S1?

    IMO parallel links are a safer setup, comparing the 'inverted A-arm' (well put) single link of the early cars and the cornering forces involved. However any changes in caster/camber/toe would all be a result of geometry and theoretically could be adjusted into any setup with the correct length arms.

    The conversion was reversed on 004 and it is setup correctly now.
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    Really nothing better than a black S1 with Bravo wheels.
     
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    The rear suspension of 1120022 was made exactly like what the pics say about 1120004, still with the original mounting bracket for the inverted a-arm between the two new mounting points.

    L-E
     
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    That's why I always use the axle shaft, much stiffer :)
     
  25. joe sackey

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    You took the words right out of my mouth!
     

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