Countach, the ultimate supercar

Oh for the love of christ, would you guys fn stop already.

 

By looking at Lel's post count we can see that he is new here and he is just learning that Joe HAS to have the last word. Just let him have the last post on the subject and let it go the world will keep turning if two variants of a car made some 30 years ago are welded (albeit poorly welded) differently or not.

Also experience will teach that when the heat is turned up Joe will post a 'change the subject' piece which I will edit my post to say that this has come to pass

 

"he is just learning that Joe HAS to have the last word." HAHAHAHA that's soooo funny.

 

Yes, Joe, Senape. Thanks LC3929 and Joe for posting. Great to see all the samples.

 

Thank you all very much.
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I almost want to cuddle up under those blankets with that motor.

 

Testa di Moro, wow!!! Why not Testa di Siciliano, lol...

 

Yeah and those two sandwiched the poor thing and also from behind and then take pictures of their finished ordeal, these guys are sick.

 

Damn engine looks like a Japanese model!

I cannot WAIT to hear it run again. Please, please, PLEASE get some fly-by video when she's done! It doesn't even have to be on a certain Arizona highway, shot from a helicopter with Ray Stevens singing over the top...

 

Well, there are things which should be common knowledge, 1st Joe is right, 2nd if not automatically 1st.
Lets get serious again, I don't know Lel nor do I know Joe's archive, it must be huge and I heard also that he has some copies of build sheets nobody than Ingrid has seen else.

Just looking at 1120022 it's obvious that it has a different fender flare than all the cars converted by the factory, this alone is a clear sign that this car was modified somewhere else.
If Lel can show a bill from the factory telling they made the conversion I will believe him, else not.

 

Hi folks!

If anyone bothers to go throw my messages I ever, never said that 1120022 was modified by the factory. But I said that that it was most probably modified by the factory. This I can say after dismantling the car and built it back to the narrow form. And I am the only man in the world that did this particular job on this particular car. I don't just judge from small photos on internet. The work was so properly done, including the seats, that some very competent mechanic must have done it, therefore I assume it was at the factory. And the car did indeed have those bars instead of the reversed wishbone and probably still has.

I sold the aluminum wing extenders, the front aluminum spoiler, the rear wing and the Bravo-wheels to Japan.

I may not have all the documentation and I haven't seen, bought and sold so many Lamborghinis as the "God of Lamborghinis" has but I do still have a lot of experiences with cars and even Lamborghinis. I was seventeen first time that I examined the bespoked Miura Spider, it was then still blue. It's more than 30 years since I for the first time dismantled and put together a V12 Lamborghini and I have owned for myself 2 Espadas, 1 350 GT, 1 400 GT, 2 LP400 and 3 Miuras and still got 350, Espada, LP400 and 2 Miuras.

One problem with Joe, in my opinion, is that he sometimes take to big words in his mouth. What seems to upset him in our discussion is that I once or twice pointed out that he is not that skilled mechanical expert that he wants us to believe.

But anyhow, I'm thankful for all information and photos he delivers even if I don't take all his words for granted.

Best Regards

Lars-Erik

 

Joe,
as for what i know: no

i am not 100% sure of it and i would say nobody could given the fact lambo made almost everything on demand (like a pink-grigio 5000 countach with blue interior!)

 

Here is few difference:

Hub - Hole for shock absorber axel is differen position, this affects how suspension moves under car.

wishbone - stronger for later cars and distribute forces more wider part of chassi. later "H" wisbone is also easyer to adjust for toe-in and do not twist/bend under accelation, brakind or absorbing road, as much. Older model was also more complecated to produce.

rear axel - stronger for later cars especially at between first bearing outer ring "neck" and bearings are rethought

Front reaction bars - stronger linkage and difference on lower linkage position, this again affects suspension movement.

There is some...

 

Oh , great, thanks Lars, now Joe will be waking up to this (I think it's 5:30am on the west coast).
Joe I'll give you 5 bucks if you can leave Lars post alone

BTW, Lars, have you posted photos of your resto. I have not looked back in the thread yet. If not, please do so. love to see it.

 

What I understood from Lars Erik's previous posts were that the LP400 and LP400S Chassis tubes were welded the same way with the suspension pickup points in the same place. If this is true then changing 'bolt on' components would allow for the conversion to 'S' specifications quite easily. While I cannot confirm this what I do know is that a vehicle can be completely transformed by altering the geometry of the suspension away from the hard pickup points. Perhaps Joe and Lars are arguing the same point although it is hard to refute that having actually done the work himself on the car in question, that Lars has a special insight that all the book smarts in the world cannot teach.

 

As a bystander watching this, I will just say that other than a detail of
the cars history, if it is being brought back to original narrow form, then it
might not Really matter. I agree it is nice to know the facts and history should
be accurate and backed up, but soon it will be luckily in original form which
for this car specifically, might be the best and most important thing.
I will also add that I enjoy the Crazy history of Lamborghini and the hobby of
people working to straighten it out.

 

Dear Joe and Lel, although I do not know whether it makes sense to participate in your discussion about the conversion of 1120022 to "S" specification, I would like to introduce to you the attached photo (copyright by The Klemantaski collection, photo by Coltrin, May 1978) which was provided by a friend and "F chatter". Please note that the number plates in the attached photo are different from the original photo which you can order from the Klemantaski collection. The photo has the number 13A in fold 78PC4 and is from May 1978. It shows 1120022 standing in the factory. It is absolutely sure that this car is 1120022. To be honest, I can not say whether this photo means that the conversion was done by the factory or not. I simply don't know and I can not say more about 1120022 than informing you about that photo and the fact that the car had been delivered to Italy and stayed in Italy until 1981. This information also was provided by the above mentioned friend. Based on that information, the first idea must be that an Italian owner would ask the factory for a conversion, but some of the details of the car are so strange, compared to the Walter Wolf cars, that it is questionable whether the car was converted by the factory.
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