Countach, the ultimate supercar

Even better - you already have this pic. I was quite sure for that. Please show me a photo on which we can see that Mr. Peter Sachs handed the photo over to you

 

Now I'm becoming more seriously... some points by myself:

1) It is not my job to prove now and here that #22 was converted by the factory. I am not very interested in that issue... that's why I said that I do not know whether it makes sense to participate in your discussion as I simply can not say "yes it's a factory conversion" or "no, it's not". Nevertheless I wanted to feed you with that information, as perhaps you or posteriore140 or lel or who else will see something that I do not see.

2) Joe, of course you know that it is nearly impossible to find a photo of a chassis ID plate which can prove that the car on this photo is #1120022...

3) ... nevertheless there is NO DOUBT that this car is 1120022. Reason: Knowing the Italian number plate which the car had when the photo was made (see your original photo), you still today can track the car's Italian history. So my friend L. found out that this car is #1120022. In these "Italian" cases, you do not need a photo of a chassis ID plate or something similar in order to determine the chassis number. You only need a photo of the car with the number plates.

So, job done, this car definitively is 1120022.

As you easily can see, the car already has the fender extensions, but still has the small wheels. Fender extensions with small wheels - does this make sense? No. Does the photo therefore show the car during conversion? Possibly, but I don't know. Perhaps the car came back to the factory for a small service, and for some reasons the big wheels were replaced by the small wheels for rolling the car from one place to another - possibly, I don't know.

Please also note that there is no rear wing and no "S" badge in the photo.

 

A service perhaps, a new clutch or a conversion to "S" specs. I don't know and I can not say that I tend to saying "yes, it's a factory conversion" or "no". Ok, of it was a factory job, why then do we have those different details, so I'd perhaps tend to say "no".

I would say that the photo speaks for a factory conversion - but without proving anything - and that the details you mentioned are speaking against a factory conversion.

But finally I must say: I do not know.

 

This was not a serious question, but you answered it - I had no doubts, sorry for asking

 

So there is no big difference between our positions.

 

And I salute yours!

 

A very nice shot.

 

I'm posting for Chad Bolles Countach QV motor.
Also his website www.lamborghinionly.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Lamborghini-Countach-QV-engine_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c0dd453f6QQitemZ120491103222QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

 

Since it's still going on:
I am 99.9% convinced this car was converted at the factory. If I were a jury member or judge in a court proceeding, with the evidence presented, it would be safe, beyond a show of doubt, to say this car was converted at the factory. The photo is the documentation.
a)the plate is associated with 1120022.
b)the said vehicle is photographed IN the Lamborghini factory.
c)in the photograph, the said vehicle is in a STATE of conversion.
d)why, on gods earth, would an owner, living in ITALY, NOT have the factory convert a very expensive supercar BUT photographed in it's stage of conversion at the factory?
This car should be considered factory converted, it is so ordered.

 

20 years ago, the same could have been said about our mystery car, with its various conversions and phantom serial number, but nowadays we know better thanks to extensive research...not conjecture (although I been looking at a lot of grainy photos myself lately...)

So until something definitive pops up, why argue?

How about everybody visits the lambo girls thread for the afternoon to cool off...

 

A splendid idea!

How about a beer to go with that?
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Sweet, bottles AND cans! Well stocked as always...

 

Mike Kimberley, at a point when he left Lotus and went to Lamborghini.

 

I generally agree with you - i.e. the arguments shown above - but I would not say it is 99.9% sure. One question remains: if it was a factory conversion - why then do we see so obvious differences to the Wolf cars?

Coming to an end, I would like to suggest: let's stop the discussion and agree that we all do not know 100% exactly what happened with the car.