Countach, the ultimate supercar

Grazie tanto Emilio!

Wolf fast...I like it

 

Agreed!

 

We are, thank you.

We have expanded into other marque restoration, car sales & speed shop work.

New website coming soon.

As we dust ourselves off from the past year, we are opening a Speed Shop section with a 2000HP / 2000FTLBS / 200MPH 4 wheel chassis dyno by DynoJet.

Things should be fine in the coming months and hope to see you in August.

Tony

 

Ahhh! Gorgeous!

Of course I have seen the car before, in some excellent photos taken on a finely manicured lawn, and in front of a "old timey" gas station. Such an awesome color combo with the Tobacco interior and gold wheels...

 

we should stop the chitchat and come to facts, belonging to them the qv and 25th have an equal height. The rear suspension has the following differences (QV from chassis 910 vs 25th 89):
#3 Hub, #22 pipes to hub, #44,48 ball joints of torsion bar, #54 shock absorber, aditionally the 25th has spacers at the struts.
http://www.countach.ch/QV_spare/From%20chassis%20910/tav04.jpg

Front suspension (LP5000s vs 25th 89, QV and LP5000s are same)
#15 roll bar, #31 speed gear, #45,62 ball joints of roll bar

OK, now to the influence of this, obviously they installed stiffer shock absorbers the rear, therefore less boat tailing, also a stiffer roll bar at the front, gives a more lively rear end.

I installed the Koni struts of the 2 wd Diablo all around, my car doesn't boat tail at all, and I haven't seen any 25th cornering faster than me.
http://www.countach.ch/diablostruts.htm

You can believe me that I drove both, several QV's and 25th's, there is not much difference for the normal driver, IME the rear struts of the QV were too soft, that was corrected, the rest is only minor adjustment to this. When you change the toe in/chamber of the QV to the 25th settings (needed because of the PZero instead of the P7) you will hardly remark any difference anymore.

Cheerio, I'm going for breakfast now
Raymond

 

this is the best S1 in the word + most beautiful countach, I hope you get it back exacly the way it was sold

 

Ok, thanks!

L-E

 

Raymond
what are the differences in the suspension settings between the QV and the Anniversary? I recently had mine reset and checked after my small off road, as my insurance company were paying for the checks!
I am going to get a set of Koni dampers made for the rear of the QV this winter to match the front set I had made.
Should i run the tyre pressures any differently on the P Zeros? I think i run 2.4 and 2.6 bar.
I will post pics of the front of mine later today but don't think there is such a big gap at front. Mine is a very early QV
Paul
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The 25th looks lower because the fender flares are flater and mounted lower, also the running boards give a more down to road look.
25th:
Front
Toe-in + 1mm
Camber -0°15'
Caster angle > +6°30'
2,6bar
Rear:
Toe in +3mm
Camber -0°30'
2,8bar
curb weight 1680Kg
Overall height: 1070mm

QV:
Front
Toe-in +2mm
Camber -15'
Castor > 6°30'
2,6bar
Rear
toe-in 3mm
camber -45'
2,8bar
empty (?curb?) weight: 1490Kg
overall height: 1070mm

Unfortunately there is no data about the spring and shock specs of the 25th, the QV has everything in the owners manual.

 

thanks raymond
Not a terrible amount of difference; 2mm toe in front and .15 degrees at rear. Will check what mine was set to as had Carlo Mcrindle of topgearcars send it to the specialist for me.
was hoping to take her for a run today but is pouring with rain here just now! Perhaps tomorrow
I dont think mine raises too much like a speedboat in hard acceleration.
this video is of me going flat out in first and second with a hand held camera and i think it was him moving not so much the car!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6bujIl3dAc

i am conscious of movement when accelerating flat out but i think it is being forced back onto the seat!

will check again

Paul
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I had my shocks regenerated twice in 12 years. The second time I had the dampening effect increased, only for the rears, by 10%. The picture shows acceleration between 2nd and 3rd gear; this was taken before the 2nd rebuild and the new engine silent blocks. You can notice that the front shocks are pretty much un the "up" position and the rears are compressed somewhat. Ten percent on each shock is a very good compromise. Another factor to take into consideration are the engine silent blocks. The Countach engine, irrespectively of the miles driven, tends to lower itself in the engine by 2 or 3 cm when the silent blocks begin to fail - remember we are talking about are 20+ year old cars). In hard acceleration they will case the boating effect to increase.


The Red QV is owned by a friend of mine in Japan, it is a very cool picture and thought I would share.

Alex
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here are a couple of ics of the gaps in my car taken today
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I don't see how a lower engine position (less than an inch) would affect suspension travel. Shock dampening, spring rate, condition of suspension joints perhaps.

 

Who rebuilds the shocks?

 

There is a local shop here in Italy that rebuilds either to factory specs or whatever you ask for, very reasonable. I also had all my door and trunk shocks re-generated at the same shop, think I paid about $15 each. They are very careful and do not repaint them if asked so all the original manufacturer’s details which are printed on remain.

Regarding 2NA's question, I just figured that if the silent blocks are failing and the engine can move up and down during hard acceleration - even only one inch - it would affect the rear suspension's performance also. The motor is THE heavy part of the car. I had the shocks re-done and engine silent blocks replaced at the same time, the car "feels" better cannot be certain what offered the most benefit though.

Alex

 

Performance Shock

(707) 938-5664

 

the originals were built by ariston in Italy who used to build fridges! I had a set of Konis built to Koni spec by Sports line suspension in the UK. I decided not to rebuild the originals as I didn't think they were worth it.
New ones have a lot more control
Paul

 

This debate would be easily solved by finding owners with a stock QV and a stock Anniversary and measuring vertically through the front hub centerline from the ground to the top of the fender. How the spats are mounted would be irrelevant. The key will be finding these cars with fresh, but factory spec, springs...

 

Only about the size of the flare...
they cannot sit lower, as I already proved with the parts manual the suspensions are 90% the same, also the overall height is the same, so how can the 25th sit lower?

 

Lol

Joe thanks for that.

1. I didnt put the OZ stickers back on as I found they materially altered the unsprung weight and the car handled better without them. ( discuss!!!) ( does anyone have any?)

2. I dont actually like that black line on the rivets and prefer the car this way. ( do i get thrown off the forum for saying that?)

Good eye for detail, but from looking at your photos I can understand that. Photographers notice everything! It is what makes us different!

Paul
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Marcel, my friend!

ask and you will recieve
isn't this nice?

as for best looking:it is personal
to me you are right: S1 looks a bit better than S2 that looks a bit better than S3...
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