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Countach, the ultimate supercar

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  1. M.B.

    M.B. Formula Junior

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    i agree, its very strange but as i see the pictures from Paul's car it looks like a stock set up, the anniversary is also stock, if these numbers are right you can see what a good designer means... a higher car looks lower...
     
  2. M.B.

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    interesting, also the colour of your car is an interesting story, did you ever find any spot in that metalic colour?
     
  3. joe sackey

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  4. paul328

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    I think i have the solution to the differences with anniversary and the QV!!
    Here are two pics. Look at the profile of the anniversary arch compared to the Qv's. It appears that the rear of the anniversary arch is 'fuller' and wider and a different profile from that of the QV!
    I suspect the suspension is identical but it just looks different?
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  5. joe sackey

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    No question the design of the wheel arches are completely different in shape, height, profile and even mounting position.

    It could be the basic ride height is the same, although Id like to satisfy myself of same with a few cars here, and perhaps the Annivesario just looks lower but really isn't. No question it looks lower. And no question the suspension is slightly different. But slight differences can make a significant handling difference, as I found out.
     
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    #4710 raymondQV, Nov 22, 2009
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    Yes, AP racing calipers.
    Unfortunately the guy in UK who made the set is no more contactable.
    A friend in Germany, ILOC and LCCG member has Porsche calipers installed on his black 25th. Here in Switzerland are some with Alcan's installed.

    If you want to improve the brakes without much effort just install EBC Red Stuff pads, best price / performance and road legal. There is a seller on ebay-uk who sells them extremely good priced.
     
  10. raymondQV

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    Well, that was the red light district of Hamburg, St. Pauli, that was the time they had to have such cars. In Auto Bild Classic was an article showing these pictures.
     
  11. joe sackey

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    Yes I saw the article with the red LP500S, but who is the guy in the old 1980s images of the dark LP400S with the rainbow paint scheme front end?
     
  12. raymondQV

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    a panderer of St.Pauli, most of them died, I have to re-read the article, I think his name is mentioned.
     
  13. M.B.

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    Thanks Raymond, I leave it as it is but i was just wondering. I know Dirk B with the Porsche calipers, looks to be a good solution too. Never heard of the Alcan's, is the difference big? Is it easy to change or do you need to change more parts? Which calipers would be the best or is the result about the same?
     
  14. M.B.

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    beautifull
     
  15. raymondQV

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    Calipers is always a major thing because in most cases you need adapters, I would first try the EBC pads with the original calipers, for about 50 Euros you have a huge improvement, as long as you don't visit race tracks that often it's not needed to invest in huger calipers.
     
  16. M.B.

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    thanks for this advise, i don't visit tracks anymore, done it with my first anniversary but the brakes where a big problem, later i drove 2 times with a murcielago on the track, the pads were roasted and lots of stonechips so no more track for me :)
     
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    Best looking CT on the planet, end of discussion!

    BTW, where are thoose Bravos?
     
  18. Peter K.

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    I have installed the EBC's on my Countach and it was a huge improvement. Not sure I even want to replace calipers now.
    Wilwood has put together a brake kit for the Countach in the past. Chad Bolles has more information about that or I've heard Wilwood will work with a Countach customer to put something together. I got to believe they would want the originals to base it off of.
     
  19. M.B.

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    Perfect! Everything will stay original and the car brakes much better, i am going to search for those EBC's!
     
  20. paul328

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    When i was buying my car i got a quote from Movit in Germany for a set of discs and pads for my countach. I think it was 3000 euros but I may be wrong on that.
    There main claim was that they were 5kg about 12lb lighter per corner which seems a lot! I think the rule is every lb of unsprung weight equals about 10lb in overall weight in handling terms? That would be quite a spectacular difference, but If it was so much i wondered if alterations to damping and springs would be required?
    i did try to contact the person in England that Raymond suggested and did speak to him about two years ago and he said he needed the calipers etc to make the adaptor plates
    Dont know if he is still about but think they are but in different location
    Paul
     
  21. Olivier NAMECHE

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  22. sachin

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    wow! what sound!!! amazing video thanks for posting! those road lines are flying by =)
     
  23. Nuvolari

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    The rule of thumb is correct for ROTATING unsprung mass so the brake discs count but the calipers count at a much diminished amount. Either way the difference is huge. That said I would not concern myself too much with making any dampening or spring changes. Despite the weight reduction the suspension will be affected too little to warrant a change and any change that does not take accurately into account suspension motion ratios, geometry, and tire spring rate will merely be a guess and not likely a net improvement over what you have.
     
  24. raymondQV

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    If it was a Formula 3 it would make a feelable difference, but imagine the Countach rear with 12" rim and a 345/35 tire... also we are mostly road drivers, makes no sense to invest in unspun weight reduction.
    It's all a question of price/benefit and originality, I think that the original calipers suite their purpose sufficently, just replace the 20+ year old pads and you are fine.
     

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