Beware of this one ?

The accident is not a big deal. The paint meter shows that there is some repair work to the driver's side door. The poor paintwork bothers me more elsewhere on the car.
However, the car is kind of rough and I would not be surprised if the ODO has been rolled back as it moved between owners/dealers. That is just speculation as none of us know for sure. To me that car is basically worth less than $40k. Anyone knowledgeable with the 355 market would probably not pay more. But they say there is a sucker for every seat. Enough with this car, time to move on. The dealer took a chance to try to make some $$$, may or may not work out for him. Should be more forthright on disclosing some of the cosmetic issues with the car instead of advertising "stunning" and "excellent".

 

Jim lyons does the secondary f-market a favour. a very good friend of mine bought a car from him and he was first class. This whole deal stunk from the get go. Even the "winning bidder" acted like an ******. You don't win the bid then arrange ppi, finanacing,permission from the wife etc... you bid after those arrangements have been made then live with the consequenses...period. I understood that this car was under market value and was prepared to live with the consequences after the PPI. The scumbag seller was intimidated by this and bailed. There are alot of a-holes and wannabes on this site yet there are many members who see the opportunity to have a "track or part" property and there is nothing wrong with that... even in the heights of this hierarchy. Or suto hierarchy.

 

Your certainly entitled to voice an opinion. I have bought/sold a number of cars from/to FCHAT members. Whenever I talk with someone about one of our cars. I disclose all of the information known to me. I always recommend a PPI as everyone has their own level of acceptability. We sell over 200 exotics per year. That takes two parties to agree on price and a solid reputation. Wherever this particular car ends up. I'm certain the new owner will be happy and will enjoy driving the car. If I were in the market for a 355. This car does would not scare me at all. Regardless of the cosmetic history of the car. The money spent on the drivetrain demonstrates owners who spared no expense.

 

Sorry Finnerty, this is not isolated. This guy doesn't know me from Adam, but I can tell you I've busted him before for a similar situation on Fleabay.

Summer of 08 I had bought a Mondial T Coupe from a bad dealer in Florida who is in prison now (last I heard), anyhow that guy sold me a car with duplicate titles (one with a lien) and had a limited time to replace the car with another or refund my money in full.

I'd been eye-balling one on Fleabay. It was a T Cab Red/Tan with Speedline Wheels. Same drill, Same guy, he bought it on ebay marked it up and listed it over and over till it one day disappeared. FUNNY THING IS I RAN THE VIN# ON THE CAR, AND GUESS WHAT GUYS, MILAGE DISCREPANCY REPORTED!!! Funny to an intellectual, one may see a history of behavioral patterns unfamiliar to others.

Deny it? You sure didn't address the milage issue did you? For me, I wouldn't consider anything he had for sale EVER. Two Ferrari's seperated over a year apart with exact alleged circumstances.

 

As for "ending it now", I think that's entirely up to the seller. As I mentioned I've caught the Exact-To-The-"T"-Same-Thing before. Do I think all the cars they sell are this, no. But I do believe a discussion about this subject is warranted at this point.

Presently I'm a cash buyer ISO a 355. I'm not rich and can't afford this sort of mistake. Nobody deserves to be "REELED" in for a "POSSIBLE FULL DISCLOSURE" after I hit a Buy it Now, or Fly In to inspect, or even dial the phone#.

No mention in two instances X his attitude for me = BS!

 

To set the record straight, as a dealer/broker I subscribed to Autocheck. It is MORE reliable than Carfax. They both pull info from "public" sources but Autocheck is a company of Experian, yes the credit folks. I always felt they pulled from a broader pool of sources. I always pulled an Autocheck before buying, I found Carfax was just DMV/Insurance. I've bought cars at auction that always showed on Autocheck, but seldom on Carfax. Besides if you bend some metal and pay for it out of pocket it will never be on a history report! Fchat, service records, and a PPI always safest bets.

 

+1

Last year I was looking into buying a Maserati. CarFax came back clean as a whistle. During PPI, it was found to have frame damage. Pulled Autocheck,and sure enough, it was on there as frame damage reported. Had I got both Carfax and Autocheck, then I could of saved $475 on that PPI.

 

I can't understand your rambling post. As for the Mondial that disappeared. We buried it in the backyard. It's not uncommon to come across TMU Ferrari as the odometers have been known to crap out. We sell over 200 exotics per year so the chances that we have had some TMU's cars is very likely. If they are TMU then it's required by law to disclose that on the DMV forms.

 

Rambling? That's what you call a detailed account of me having seen this with you before?

PARDON ME BUT YOUR FULL OF SH*T. You dress up your listings, ask a premium, go to great lengths to describe the car without actually describing it, avoid a direct line of questioning with regards to someone outright suggesting you may have committed a FELONY, and then have a**hole complexity about it all. YOUR ATTITUDE AND ACTIONS ARE OKAY, but me, I'm a rambler. OK.

Would a reputable expert do these things? Where I come from they wouldn't. I would think that would leave everybody questioning the validity of all their cars and their motives?

POINT OF FACT: In your description, did you or did you not describe this car as, Exterior & interior are in excellent condition? Then at the bottom this is what it says... Combining hard work, commitment and expert knowledge of the exotic car market... Are you kidding me??? An expert would certainly understand a car that's been repainted, has previous damage NO MATTER HOW INSIGNIFICANT IT MAY BE, and wear on the driver's bolsters, and what could be a rollback on the odometer isn't described as EXCELLENT! The words; reconditioned, paint work, metal work, bondo, body shop, odometer problem, cosmetic issues, questionable value, discounted, significant price reduction, good overall condition, NOT A GARAGE QUEEN, good daily driver, mechanically sound, could use some TLC...those all come to my mind but its far from any rational customer's expectations for excellent. And wouldn't an expert know the value of one of those vs. an excellent condition Ferrari would have significant differences in whom to market the car to? Anybody else want to weigh in on this?

I'm very familiar with laws that govern dealers, and I'm also very familiar with your style of marketing. "Pull them in, and then offer the but". YOU PRACTICALLY ADMIT IT SAYING THE LAW REQUIRES YOU TO DISCLOSE ON THE DMV FORMS. When exactly do you find it to be the appropriate time to disclose that? When, after someone has spent $1200 on a plane ticket to come pick it up? After they pay for a PPI on the car? Or when they're in the closing booth (F&I)? I'm not as forgiving as others are. I'll call it for what it is and if I offend you with my rambling, that's too damn bad Jim or whatever your name is. There's a significant difference between right and wrong. No gray. It don't exist.

What goes around comes around bro...

 

Crawl back under your rock. You have never witnessed me do anything dishonest. I have done a number of Ferrari deals with F-CHAT members and I can't think of any that aren't happy with the car or the service I provided. If there are any please speak up. I have to deal with annoying people like you on F-CHAT occasionally. It's the typical run your mouth about stuff you know nothing about, make wild accusations, and have done no business with the company. I am not going to take any crap from someone like you. If you don't like SCC then don't buy a car from us. Thankfully your not a member and I don't have to hear your babble on the private forums.

P.S. This 355 is not TMU according to all the records and Autocheck

 

Typical response, more attitude. I simply mentioned the Mondial had the exact same M.O. as this one here, exactly to a T. And the history of describing the two are very misleading. It's a fact and others on here agree. It's not got anything to do with you buying it on eBay to resell it on eBay. I'm all for capitalism and free markets. Just do it forthright or get yourself some stealth name next time.

P.S. RESPONSE: I haven't pulled a check on your 355, but someone is saying this is likely not a true miles car and I did indeed pull a check on the Mondial T Red w/ Tan with Shields and Speedline Five Star 3pc Wheels. That was a TMU car.

CLASSIC SCENARIO. Guy buys a car like this after someone like yourself sells it to him making him feel like the issues are insignificant and build value in it. The salesman relies on this buyer to be passionate, excited, naive, and impulsive so clueless the car gets sold. Of course when an owner of a car like this rolls up physically, the salesman takes the "up" finds out the guy wants to trade the car off on say a Porsche or another Ferrari and they start calling up there guys for a "buy bid" B/C no way in hell would they put that car on their lot. They try to hold $2-5K on the ACV to start and then peel the guy off the ceiling, allow the $2.5K more reduce the price of theirs and they become a hero. All because some innocent guy bought a Ferrari 355 for $50K believing it was a good deal only to find out $30K is the best he can do. Your right, I know nothing about the game.

 

could someone pass the salt...my popcorn is to plain

 

You know nothing about me. What you fail to realize is that I'm a sponsor on this board. If I was working over my customers you would certainly hear about it and I'd be booted off. You have no skin in the game and are solely looking to stir up trouble. I don't have any attitude whatsoever. I just don't take any crap from people like you. All of my retail customers are happy. The customer who purchased the Mondial came back two months later and purchased another car. He's been happy with both far as I know.

 

Would you like some butter too: .

 

Everyone, I realize I'm new to the chat and I don't want to give the wrong impression. Ruffling feathers and being argumentative with others isn't my intention.
F Chat is very helpful and an excellent guide for someone like myself. I do plan on joining and being a long term member, and hopefully one who can contribute.
I didn't start off on a big rant simply to pop my collar or be combative, but if others question something about someone and I've got something to contribute to the discussion, what kind of friend would I be if I didn't share? I remain mindful of my conversations. If I know something I speak up. If I don't, I listen.

When reading the intro, checking the links, I realized this exactly what I saw before on the Mondial T. It sparked concern, especially when I'm trying to find the right F355. To those I've offended (with exception to seller), my deepest apologies.

Jim wether your a viable contributor or not, in fairness the car's description is misleading and is clearly meant to be that way. I'm sorry you don't see it for what it is. Enough said because aint neither one of us going to agree. All that's left is fighting or dropping it. Maintaining my position, I'll drop it.
-Tony

 

My name is "Rick". Also if you check my forum. I listed this car and spoke of having a PPI done before this thread ever got started http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=264769

 

I personally viewed the car and all the cosmetic issues and all I can say is that I am really surprised that SCC would even consider a car such at that one to buy and then resell. Every dealer wants to make $$$ but at what cost to your reputation?? I was under the impression that SCC was a somewhat honest dealer but I am not so sure now. I normally do not participate in any of these discussions but I felt like I had to set the record straight.

For everyone's sake, at least mention all the issues so the buyer is aware of them. That way as Tony mentions, it will not be a waste of time for potential buyers as not everyone is local. If that was done, I don't believe everyone here would be so outraged. Take a picture of all the issues instead of general pics that don't show any details. That is what I would expect from a trustworthy dealer.

Good luck.

 

Poor little Ferrari. Everyone wants to throw you under the bus. I'm sure this car will end with a happy owner. It has over 40K on the clock so it's not surprising there are cosmetic flaws. Did you find any mechanical problems?

 

Why not fix all the issues before offering the car for sale? Of course, there would be less profit but your customers would probably be happier. Could even expand the potential buyer base.

Major dash pulling near the vent would be first on the list to fix. Next would be the paint - entire paint job is not out of the question. Even an amateur could quickly spot the issues.

Mechanical issues - who knows?? Previous owner would not allow a PPI.

Summary - could be an okay driver for someone not too picky and on a budget. The cosmetic issues can be fixed later. I prefer original paint but others may be more forgiving. Hopefully, this puts an end to this discussion. Good luck to everyone buying and/or selling a Ferrari. Find the one that suits you and drive it )

 

we spend an astronomical amount of money each year reconditioning cars. As for the PPI. I push those to everyone I speak too.

 

I hate to point this out but I don't believe there was much reconditioning on this particular example as you tried to flip it immediately for a $10k plus profit. I was back up on ebay in ONE day. Sorry, had to call you out on this one.

 

After all this, I'm confused as heck. Are you saying the guy in Florida (to whom you refer above) is the same as Rick? If so, your anger makes some sense.

If not, it means they're two different people, so a case of highly mistaken identity and misplaced accusation.

 

TonyinPB.

24 hours in the sin bin for the personal attack.

KEEP IT CIVIL.

If you can't keep it civil, then you'll get tossed back in, and it'll be for significantly more time than 24 hours.

If you have a point to make, make it politely.

DM

 

We did not purchase off of eBay and you have no idea what we paid for it and you have no idea what reconditioning is/will be done to the car.

I was in Mikes shop today and we talked about this car. He gave me a different version of events. He said the car was mechanically sound that the only problems it has are cosmetic.