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  1. joe sackey

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    #4804 EMILIO, Nov 27, 2009
    looking at silver bumper: is this an other 0001 tribute?
     
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    #4805 mikael82, Nov 27, 2009
    Yes, Raymond is correct with those part numbers. Note that EBC Brakes offer wrong set for Countach in some catalogs...
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    I did my brakes some time ago and found that one of calibers had text "BMW" that can be seen in different desity of metal at plase that worker at factory had grinded of before instaling them in car. Text was oxidized to be seen in darker shade.

    Here are old pabs from my car:
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  6. Peter K.

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    #4806 Peter K., Nov 27, 2009
    Hahahaha that frickin great. Thanks for sharing that in photos.
     
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    #4807 joe sackey, Nov 27, 2009
    Are those the original pads that were mounted on the car at Sant Agata?
     
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    #4808 joe sackey, Nov 27, 2009
    Emilio:

    This car had the silver accents painted on by Ultimate Motor Works in Florida when the previous owner Jim P had it in the USA. Unfortunately, it was a bit more than a "tribute", as it was used to suggest (falsely) in published advertising of the car for sale that this was the first Countach.
     
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    #4809 EMILIO, Nov 27, 2009
    ah ah ah

    sellers are "creative" sometimes !
     
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    #4810 mikael82, Nov 27, 2009
    I don't know... Calipers are from BMW or as I like to think; ATE had send calipers to Lamborghini that are same ones they send to BMW. Next time I have my car up I'll take you photo of caliper that still read "BMW", ok?

    My car had P7's from 1987 and brake discs suport the fact that they are original, but pads? can I asume after 36tkm's that they are?

    Rear calipers are from BMW E12(1977-81) E23(1977-86) and E24 M635CSi

    Front calipers are 10mm wider and can be found from BMW M1
     
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    #4811 joe sackey, Nov 27, 2009
    Yes it sounds possible that those are the originals given the production period of the cross referenced BMW model range.
     
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    #4812 raymondQV, Nov 27, 2009
    I can check my pads, I bought the car in 2001 with the original P7 and only 11'800Km so most likely the pads are those from 1986...
     
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    #4813 joe sackey, Nov 27, 2009
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    Forgot to mention this lovely car is 1120286 and we looked at it closely for a client. We absolutely loved the interior (one of the nicest original I have ever seen). But the exterior was an issue. The client wanted all 4 USA side-markers gone, the conspicuous aerial removed, and the home-made megaphone exhaust pipes removed in favor of a standard unit. In the end he bought something else.
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    #4815 Peter K., Nov 27, 2009
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    Whoa! This could the answer to the many times asked question. We all know the calipers on the Countach were the same as BMW but they were also slightly different and you could not just take BMW calipers and bolt them on our Countachs. Now, I never thought about the M1. So what you're saying in that they are different than the other BMW? And the M1 may be that reason why the regular BMW calipers just can not bolt right on?
    Can someone talk us through this?
    Are there any rebuild kits for Countach (BMW) calipers. Calipers are so easy to build.
     
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    I sold my Urraco to a mechanic/friend that was a Lamborghini employee for about 8 years, before moving on to DeTomaso. He was in the Lamborghini technical office and did quite a bit of work for the Urraco development. He was working in Lamborghini also during the years of the financial crisis. He told me that in order to finish a few Coutaches he would be sent to a local BMW dealer to purchase brake calipers. The calipers were then machined to fit the Lamborghini's thicker rotors - this because the factory had not paid it's suppliers, who, in turn. had stopped shipments to the factory. Hope this helps. If you want I can go and visit him and get "the rest of the story".
     
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    Only difference between front and rear calipers are wider centerpeace First M5 (E28) was fitted with 30mm discs but where did M5 get its brakes?
    Could it be M1 centerpeace and E23 (735) caliper sylinders?
     
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    #4818 Peter K., Nov 27, 2009
    So the calipers are the same and the pistons are slightly machined for the Countach rotors?
    Measure the difference between the Countach rotor and the BMW rotor. The difference between the two will tell you how much machining has to be done?
    I would love to experiment if that's the case.
     
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    #4819 bernardo66, Nov 27, 2009
    Stunning colour!!!
     
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    #4821 M.B., Nov 27, 2009
    Joe, do you have any closer pictures from these megaphone exhaust pipes? Interesting to see how it's connected, the leather of this car looks very nice indeed, looks like an interesting car
     
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    #4822 raymondQV, Nov 27, 2009
    You forgot to post the most important picture of this article, my car... the golden wheels had been for mine as well.

    http://www.countach.ch/MyQV/gla12997_24.jpg
     
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    #4823 raymondQV, Nov 27, 2009
    Also BMW M5 E24 etc, I already posted the link to the german auction showing the different BMW models...
     
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    #4824 bernardo66, Nov 27, 2009
    Sorry. I hate when pics are spread over two pages in a magazine. My scanner would not have done that pic justice. ;)
     
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    #4825 joe sackey, Nov 27, 2009
    Marcel:

    The interior is quite amazing for an original interior. But as soon as you look outside its a bit disappointing. Of course the side-markers and aerial mean all 4 corners must receive bodywork and be repainted if one wants them returned to originality, perfectly do-able for a price of course (or you just live with it). The correct Sebring mirrors are with the car, by the way.

    As for the megaphone pipes, the tips as you see them in the pics look OK, but once you look underneath the car the pipes look cobbled together, not something you'd appreciate, knowing you!
     
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