Were some 1985 3.0 QV Mondials with later bodies?

See this eBay ad:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ferrari-Mondial-Cabriolet-Ferrari-Mondial-Cabriolet-Very-Nice-Regular-Driver_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3efabd4c13QQitemZ270494682131QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks

I never thought that any later QV Mondials were ever factory offered with the 3.2 bodies. Or was it just bumpers? Or is this guy's car an after market conversion?

 

That is an early (85) interior, for sure. Body looks to have undergone a nice bumper conversion though I don't quite buy into the part about "the Italian way"

Many mechanical issues plus a major service due...................

 

I did not know you could raise a rear window with the top down. It seems strange to have just one up.
dave

 

My guess... Its broken. Bet it wont go down at all.

Car looks pretty though.

 

I noticed that one rear window up as well. Strange to have it up with the top down at all, unless as Michael suggests, it is broken and won't go down. Which in the case of this car, would mean that until it is fixed, the top must always be down.

 

I agree, from the pics that front bumper looks really nice. Looks a little shorter too, like the difference between the US and Euro bumpers on a 308. Plus, with those wheels and tires, it has a cool stance.

Ebay car is the one on the left.
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Whoa! Nice catch Wade. That short front bumper really does look good! Super comparison.

 

The headrests seem to be from '89+ Mondials?

 

Thats got to be a late 85 3.2 mondi. They have both the QV and 3.2 in 1985. All this guy did was paint the ground affects color-keyed. That headrest looks just like my 87 headrest. Why would some convert a QV to look like a 3.2 when it would be cheaper to just buy one than spend the money on the bumpers, paint, wheels? I would have put better wheels on it for cheaper than OE 16 3.2 mondi rims that probably would have cost 2 grand to put on.
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I stand corrected......they did make an 85 3.2 mondi, but that definetly is a qv. Im not sure the owner knows everything about it though. His hp is 245? And it is the only 4 place convertable that ferrari made? What about the 400?

 

That must mean it was a conversion.

 

One thing, for sure - - that is a QV dashboard, not that of a 3.2, which would have the slight angulation at the upper corners of the instrument binnacle. Unless Ferrari had interiors from one model mixed with bodies from another, at one point in time, I'll stand by this statement: I believe this car to be a QV with converted bumpers and painted bottoms. Also, note the Speedline Mistral wheels. I need one of his three remaining wheel covers

Cheers, Hank

 

I thought in North America the first 3.2's(introduced at September/85 car show) were all labelled as 1986's. In Europe it may have been different because I have heard the year of the car is usually whatever the date of manufacture on the VIN plate is. So maybe in Europe some early 3.2's are 1985's. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

Carfax lists this car as a 3.2L.

http://www.carfax.com/cfm/check_order.cfm?VIN=ZFFUC15A5F0057241&PopUpStatus=0

 

When I try to contact the sellers (usually used car lots) they often claim the info comes from a database tied to the serial number. So I think some database (whether it's Carfax or some other) has been inputted incorrectly somewhere along the line because in all the eBay cases the engine pictures are clearly of the 3.0 liter engine.

 

Agreed. QV's are almost always listed as 3.2L in Ebay. I have asked sellers about this many times too, rarely getting a response. I always just put it down to dishonest sellers. I'd be more surprised if carfax was wrong though (not to say it couldn't happen).

I asked the seller to post pictures of the engine and he replied that he would. Let's see. I expect it will be a 3.2L.

 

I've been in contact with the seller and plan to make an offer on the car. I don't have any detailed engine pictures, though.

The inspection did not turn up any major problems, but there are starting issues: a rough idle for the first 30 secs. after a cold start, and intermittent hot starts. Heater and A/C are inop. Various minor details, but nothing too scary for the DIYer.

The car has nearly 90k and I'd like to drive it a fair bit before selling / upgrading... what is the story with Mondials that're long in the tooth? Should I wait for something with fewer miles?

 

FWIW, the serial on this car is lower than my 308 GTS QV (58027), which would indicate that it was built earlier than May 85 (my build date). So, I also believe this car has a 3.0 engine, not the 3.2.

@Maestro8 - I think if you got this car in the $15k range where he seems to have had it priced you will do ok. Yeah, it might need some work, but its a Mid-engined Ferrari convertible!!! There is NOTHING wrong with that at all.

Have fun with it if you get it!!


PDG

 

That would explain why so many QVs on eBay state they have 3.2 liter engines.

 

my Mondial QV was delivered in November 85 and still has the black bumpers, on the engine it has all the markings and numbers of the 308, however everyone who knows mondials and 308's says it goes better than any 308 that they have ever seen???

 

Seller claims that it's a 3.0. A picture of the engine would solve that one. The Mondial was the only four-seat convertible built by the factory until the California...if you consider it a true four-seater. Did not sell for $18,500 buy it now price. Rust pinholes? Not driven for four years? Sounds like a potential money pit to me.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ferrari-Mondial-Cabriolet-04-Ferrari-Mondial-Cabriolet-Only-13-000-Miles_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3ca83a5484QQitemZ260520432772QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks#vi-content



Looks like they are relying on a database that is all wrong.

 

I don't get how they, Carfax, can mess this up. Didn't Ferrari rename the car the 3.2 Mondial when it got the 3.2 engine? It says it right there on the back of the car.
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Some of these faulty descriptions come from the ads relying on AutoCheck.

 

http://www.ehow.com/about_5333435_autocheck-vs-carfax.html?ref=fuel&utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=ssp&utm_campaign=yssp_art

So it may be the VIN database source is the problem. Someone has given someone garbage data at some point along the way. I wonder if Carfax and AutoCheck are equally buggered up.