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Countach, the ultimate supercar

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  1. joe sackey

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    John: although you didn't ask, I thought Id mention for the sake of a complete description, that the car has 33,000 kilometers (20,500 miles). Claudio Zampolli rebuilt the top end about 2,000 km ago when KR owned it and having driven it properly after his recent re-tuning, I can tell you the thing hauls like a mofo. Having owned 3 LP400, and driven at least half-a-dozen others, I have something to compare it to. At low revs and off the lights, it is no different from any other. Nothing. Except its a bit louder and there isn't that famous 'LP400 hesitation'. But, as revs rise to 5,000 and beyond, you need a runway! When Claudio had the engine out he detailed the engine bay, so you will see in the images I post that the engine too is another redeeming feature, like the interior. Very nice and kind of like new. This man can tune.
    In summary, the paint is the weakest point, but the bright color doesn't allow you too much time to think about it I suppose. Or just stand 10 feet away! At least this is not a car anyone would be afraid to drive.
     
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    #5152 joe sackey, Dec 20, 2009
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    This well-known Countach has real paint issues, if you have ever seen it person. In this case it started life as a red car, but here, the two front fenders have been re-painted, but, they were unfortunately not very successful in matching those panels to the rest of the car. Having said all that, as you can see in certain light it looks presentable. I'm certain car's paint can be 'rescued', or at least made much better than it is, with some sympathetic refurbishment, color-sanding & polishing, without having to repaint it. This assumes there is enough of the original 1973 green paint remaining to warrant a desire to preserve as much of it as possible.
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  3. BlueBiturbo

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    If originality is the name of the game, why not just repaint it red ?
     
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    #5154 joe sackey, Dec 20, 2009
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    I don't think anyone is saying originality is the name of the game. If a car needs to be restored, restore it. But if you can make a case to preserve it and sympathetically improve it, that's OK too, and should be considered. Each situation is very different.

    As for 1120001, no question it should remain green:

    1. It was painted green by the Lamborghini factory before Countach production even started.
    2. It has remained that way for 37 years, virtually all its life, save the first 12 months.
    3. It is historically significant in its green livery as the factory's own publicity car in numerous publications such as this below.
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  5. raymondQV

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    4. because I found it like this in 2000 :)

    1120001 had a different appearance when red, it was modded and painted green though it should stay green.
    I think I might know somebody who knew the owner in Basel, perhaps I can find a contact.
     
  6. BlueBiturbo

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    Yes Raymond.. I've seen the pics when you found it ! Cool !
     
  7. Esoteric Auto Detail

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    Joe...you're absolutely correct here. In the hands of a true paint correction specialist, it's really amazing at the level the paint can be brought back to. In cases like these it's imperative to take a lot of paint thickness measurements through the process to ensure that (a) there's enough to work with, and (b) you're getting the best correction while preserving as much of the paint as possible. Even bringing a car up to 80% correction rate can be simply stunning, not to mention that it then looks better than most modern cars out on the road.

    I'm glad to see that you've got some proper treatment in the works for this beauty!
     
  8. ken qv

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    Interesting character indeed Mr. Silvera.
     
  9. Todd Helme

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    Taking this a step further I have polished 3 original (or mostly original) LP400's and they all have THICK paint from the factory, in the areas of 20-40 mils! (Modern cars usually have a total film of about 3-6 mils).

    Luigi always seemed to get carried away with the spray gun. Uno coat... notta enougha.. Due coata... notta enough... Otto coata... Bellisimo
     
  10. 12097

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    20 to 40 mils?

    I'm suprised there were not wholesale coating failures if that much paint were applied.

    The painter would have to apply about 20-30 coats of paint (using a conventional spray gun) to get to that level of paint thickness.

    Are you using test equipment that automatically recognizes both ferrous and non ferrous substrates?

    (I have tested paint thicknesses, using a ferrous tester on items made up of, what I discovered to be, dissimilar metals and found that a ferrous guage will give a "false" high reading when it tries to read the paint thickness on aluminum.)

    Given that the Countach has aluminum and steel components, it is possible to get innaccurate results if your tester is not set up for Fe and non Fe.

    Just a thought.
     
  11. Todd Helme

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    #5161 Todd Helme, Dec 20, 2009
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    The results where very accurate and obtained on a high end Deflesko coating meter. I think there is 'a lot' of body filler underneath the paint, hence the huge numbers, but even then I would figure a minimum of 10 mils of actual color coat, hence the large number of lacquer check and failure on original paint LP400's. At least that is my hypothesis. Never the less, unless the car has been buffed by a maniac many times, there is a lot of film left.

    The readings where very similar all over the car, mostly around 20-25 mils, but some areas such as right above the trunk where 35-40 mils.
     
  12. Downdraft1

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    More than one bosyshop buffed off all the paint on some of the Countach edges - many I have seen are worn down to the primer. Make sure that the bodyshops tape off all the edges before using the buffer. Do the edges by hand. The Countach is the only Lambo with all thoise ridges and edges.
     
  13. Todd Helme

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    +1, every original paint lp that I have seen has atleast a couple thinned spots and edges. Particularly the vents above the rear tires which are usually see through at 10 mils. To me it is part of the charm of original paint cars and the challenge
     
  14. joe sackey

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    Thanks Todd. We think alike!
     
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    LOL, I am rolling on the floor with that characterization!

    Yes, Id agree, this car has thick paint in most areas so we have something to work with. In this case I think Luigi was just trying to impress Signor Silvera.
     
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    #5166 joe sackey, Dec 20, 2009
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    Whatever the thickness, I'm certain an experienced person can bring the paint back. Its all about a sympathetic and careful approach. This is the LP400 you are speaking of?
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    Joe, it was a wonder to me that whoever runs the HQ and Museum would let not only historic but museum and display cars sit there with broken pieces and trims hanging off. I mean, what does it take to get a key, open a door and tidy all these bits up and this is the easy stuff lol.

    No excuses
     
  20. 2aftercannonball

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    There is a thick coat of build primer under the topcoat.
     
  21. gamby

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    I'd KILL to give that car a good going-over. This past summer had me doing far too many SUV's. 10 hours w/ an LP400 would be a joy in comparison. :)
     
  22. Todd Helme

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    Is that pretty much factory issue on the earlier Lambroghini's paints? Where the panels mudded up and block sanded prior to the primer? Or was it just a really thick primer and a little sanding to correct any flaws?

    As you can tell I have taken quite an interest in earlier Lamborghini's and would be curious to how they where finished at the factory. To have see through paint at ten mils would be one hell of a thick coating of primer!
     
  23. johnhoughtaling

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    I am confused. Is this the same color as your miura? And mine? Described by the factory as Rosso? We all know miura red is a little less orange that rosso corsa but one would hardly mistake a red miura or lp400 for an orange one.

    The pictures you posted look orange. Is this a special color, or am I mistaken in what miura rosso looks like? The pics of 4170 look red (albiet miura red), certainly not orange.

    Maybe I'm mistaken by the coloring of your photos and orange description?
     
  24. 2aftercannonball

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    From what I've seen filler was used where needed(very little) and then a thick coat of high build primer.
     
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    #5175 joe sackey, Dec 20, 2009
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    I agree.

    I have a plan to sneak in a can of silver spray-paint and masking tape in to the Museo next time, and in 3 minutes I will have returned the front bumper to its correct original color! That singular bit of restoration alone will allow the car to regain a lot of its original look.
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