360 handling

I had a similar experience with the "tail sliding out" in my 360. Unfortunately, 360 meant 360. I msut have had a bit too much throttle and cold tires. Stayed on the road and no damage whatsoever (thank goodness!) I have been a bit more respectful for the mid-engine layout car handling!

 

LOL... yep, when I had my 360 I routinely would get in the car, switch ASR off and Sport mode on... until I ended up going sideways after hitting the gas a little too hard.

Then ASR typically stayed on.

 

I think everyone should learn car control without the electronic nannies. These are performance cars, and one's skills need to be honed to actually enjoy them.

 

That tends to be a problem with the local police department haha.

 

Given the time, space, money and training... sure, I agree with you.

I'm quite happy to leave my F430 in Sport mode (not even Race mode) and I tend to leave Sport mode off on my Gallardo. Both cars are WAY more fun when the front is pointing forward.

Frank

 

Never ever ever turn off your ASR button.
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Agreed. Use track days to get familiar with how the car performs. If you stay within your limits and focus on feel not speed you'll understand how these cars really behave. Just budget for brakes and rubber. You really don't appreciate these cars, and their potential (even in the hands of we amateurs) until you track her.

 

I had no problem taking my 997TT out to the track. I am trying to psych myself up to take my 360. My feeling is that it is more fragile, and heaven forbid, if something goes wrong, I will need to dip into my 401k to correct it. I know that F-cars are more expensive to maintain and I am ok with that. I just don't want to have any regrets.

 

BTW, my ASR was ON when I spun. I doesn't seem as failsafe as the PSM on my 911.

 

Any suggestions on handling for a new 360 driver would be appreciated...I have had my car for 2 weeks (03 manual coupe) and feel hesitant to get on it...I am coming out of a 328 which was much less powerful and I had a very good feel for that car after 9 years...I have slipped a few times already in the 360 and had the back kick out (usually in 2nd gear)and I'm now a bit nervous...mind you I'm in CT where the weather is cold (I know for sure one of the times the rear kicked out it was purely cold tires)...in fact after this weekend's snow she will be in the garage for a bit...but any suggestions/advice would be greatly appreciated...fyi, I have been leaving the ASR on. Thanks, Bryan

 

Bryan,

How old are the tires? What type of tires? Do you have records of the last alignment? Tire pressures? All those issues matter. Obviously - cold weather as you stated makes a difference.

Personally, If the tail just comes out a bit and requires a bit of counter steering then I would say it is perfectly normal. The car is going to respond that way when you have that much HP/TQ that you are in 2nd gear. I would check tire pressures and make sure the tires are warmed up before doing any sprited driving.

 

Ray- ASR (anti-slip regulation) only tries to regulate rear tire spin using the ABS sensors and digital throttle. Porsche Stability Management is a much more sophisticated system that attempts to prevent a car from spinning by using yaw and acceleration sensors to brake individual wheels to aid in stability, as well as adjusting throttle to accomplish the same end.

Ferrari ASR is just traction control, nothing sophisticated at all. The f430 has a stability control system, as does the 599.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

It was purely a rookie mistake. I was actually trying to put it out a bit and she got away from me. 2nd gear, hit the throttle to about 4500 rpm, cold tires, 7:30 in the morning dew covered road, you get the picture!
I tried and tried to get the tail to move on my TT. It just wouldn't budge.

 

I find the 360 gives loads of feedback through the steering and seat. Find a slow bend with good visibility right through and give it some, a track is best. Sport mode is best for starters, once you get up to it can can get a bit wilder with it switched off.

 

I agree with the track rats... Find a near by track, get a GOOD instructor and go have some fun. Leave the system on for the first few runs and then turn it off... I have instructed MANY students in 911's (and other cars too) over the years with traction control and stability control systems... almost everyone of them spun their cars within a few laps of having turned the system off for the first time. I could feel the systems intervention in the previous sessions but they could not. I told all of those students to turn it off at their own peril because I knew it was saving them. ALL of them turned the system off anyway, spun their cars and immediately turned the system back on! LOL!